The argument the Supreme court made in Roe is that the right to privacy of medical decisions is protected, AND the unborn's right to life is protected at some point... so a balance must be struck to determine at what point the unborn's rights begin to outweigh the woman's right to medical decisions, they chose viability.
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Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
- -- Aristotle
Believe nothing on the faith of traditions, even though they have been held in honor for many generations and in diverse places. Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it. Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past. Do not believe what you yourself have imagined, persuading yourself that a God inspires you. Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests. After examination, believe what you yourself have tested and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.
- -- The Buddha
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
- -- Aristotle
If the right wing packing of the court ends Roe
The Republican Party will be the party that is the dog who caught the car
I think it would depend on what type of brain activity. While enough to make your heartbeat is early on, brain stem activity is not enough to claim "life" at the end of life. Some folks who are brain dead have heartbeats, etc. I think the level of brain activity where the fetus can begin to "wonder" (as I noted earlier) begins sometime around 18 weeks, giving nearly 5 months before you hit "person" and that is surely enough time for them to make such a decision.
But heck, I don't know what they will eventually decide, hence my interest.
The Christians read into the verse where their god says the "knew you before you were in in the womb" and thus believe that it is a person even before then... They will never be happy with any decision other than "none"...
The Buddhists will be much like me. If it can "wonder" then it is a person.
Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
- -- Aristotle
Believe nothing on the faith of traditions, even though they have been held in honor for many generations and in diverse places. Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it. Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past. Do not believe what you yourself have imagined, persuading yourself that a God inspires you. Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests. After examination, believe what you yourself have tested and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.
- -- The Buddha
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
- -- Aristotle
Jarod (12-03-2021), ThatOwlWoman (12-03-2021)
A family has the right to pull the plug
Surely a human in which the cells reside has some rights huh
Women are beings with full rights or they are not
I say they are
No fucking right wing political moves for powers sake will change that
The party will die
It’s beginning to feel like the party just wants to have its plug pulled
It’s obviously becoming brain dead
Its a well thought out position and one I can get onboard with, however I am more comfortable with Government using science than Religion to make this decision.
If you take what some Christians (I will point out that many do not) claim about God knowing you, then contraception should also be banned.
I know many pro-choice Christians who believe viability is the point of life starting, plenty who believe birth is the point.
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Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
- -- Aristotle
Believe nothing on the faith of traditions, even though they have been held in honor for many generations and in diverse places. Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it. Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past. Do not believe what you yourself have imagined, persuading yourself that a God inspires you. Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests. After examination, believe what you yourself have tested and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.
- -- The Buddha
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
- -- Aristotle
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And it effectively removes a woman's right to an abortion, if heartbeat is the measure. The heartbeat begins as early as 3 weeks, but can't be detected until six or seven weeks. By the time you can determine whether there is a heartbeat, the door is closed. If that's the measure, Roe v Wade is dead.
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