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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    The national guard is a state militia that can be nationalized in time of war. It isn't necessarily the only militia a state can organize however.
    An example of militia that went into military service would be Roosevelt's Rough Riders. Roosevelt organized and recruited the membership of the unit then offered it for military service. That's an example of militia outside the national guard, which before it was the national guard it was called the "organized militia."

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    A well regulated militia



    That means the people can regulate the people you fucking idiots
    Are the Proud Boys a militia!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyszardKuklinski View Post
    Are the Proud Boys a militia!?
    Depends. For what purpose are they organized?

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    The national guard is a state militia that can be nationalized in time of war. It isn't necessarily the only militia a state can organize however.
    No. The National Guard is the NATIONAL militia. They are not a State militia of any State.
    They may be called for by a governor of a State, but they are the National militia. That's why they are called the National Guard.

    Incidentally, it is the right of the federal government, as a government entity, to defend itself by calling forth a national militia, which is what the National Guard is. Unlike State militias, which must be disbanded in times of peace, the national militia can be left a standing army.
    Just as it is the right of a State to defend itself by calling forth a State militia. Washington State, for example, has a 'militia' of 75 members at the moment, which are administrative personnel. None of them are troops. If activated, the State militia can be organized pretty quickly in this way.

    We also have a National Guard base at our local federal fort, Fort Lewis.

    See Article I, $8 and $10.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyszardKuklinski View Post
    The Naturalization Act of 1790 is also what the Founding Fathers intended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    A well regulated militia



    That means the people can regulate the people you fucking idiots
    Try learning English. It means no such thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyszardKuklinski View Post
    Are the Proud Boys a militia!?
    No. They are counter protestors at Antifa and BLM riots.
    Last edited by Into the Night; 12-02-2021 at 09:43 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    Constitution of United States of America 1789 (rev. 1992)

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.



    Who regulated your ass well?

    nope
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    No. The National Guard is the NATIONAL militia. They are not a State militia of any State.
    They may be called for by a governor of a State, but they are the National militia. That's why they are called the National Guard.

    Incidentally, it is the right of the federal government, as a government entity, to defend itself by calling forth a national militia, which is what the National Guard is. Unlike State militias, which must be disbanded in times of peace, the national militia can be left a standing army.
    Just as it is the right of a State to defend itself by calling forth a State militia. Washington State, for example, has a 'militia' of 75 members at the moment, which are administrative personnel. None of them are troops. If activated, the State militia can be organized pretty quickly in this way.

    We also have a National Guard base at our local federal fort, Fort Lewis.

    See Article I, $8 and $10.
    The National Guard didn't exist as such prior to the end of the Spanish American war. Before that, it was called the Organized Militia, although some units called themselves National Guard. Up through at least the beginning of the Civil War militia units generally required members to purchase and own their equipment including firearms and uniforms. There was also no standard uniform and units adopted their own based generally on what the Army was using.

    In addition to the Organized militia, there were units of Volunteers formed in time of war. These were scratch units formed usually by wealthy individuals and outfitted in various ways and as various types of unit but mostly infantry or cavalry. Some more famous volunteer regiments over US history include:

    The Kentucky Mounted Rifles in the War of 1812. The governor of Kentucky called for men with means to provide themselves a horse, rifle (not musket), etc., and volunteer for service. The regiment reached about 1,000 men at its height and proved to be one of the best units the US had in the Great Lakes region.

    Wilder's "Lighting" Brigade. John Wilder, an Illinois lawyer, using regiments of volunteers devised a means of pursuing and defeating Confederate raiders / cavalry using men riding mules as dragoons (mounted infantry). He paid for his brigade to be equipped with Spencer repeating rifles--a huge increase in firepower--as well. A Confederate curse at the time about this weapon and its fearsome firepower was That damned Yankee rifle! You load it on Sunday, and it shoots all week!

    Roosevelt's Rough Riders would be another from the Spanish American War.

    These are Volunteer militia rather than organized (or standing) militia like the National Guard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    No. The National Guard is the NATIONAL militia. They are not a State militia of any State.
    They may be called for by a governor of a State, but they are the National militia. That's why they are called the National Guard.

    Incidentally, it is the right of the federal government, as a government entity, to defend itself by calling forth a national militia, which is what the National Guard is. Unlike State militias, which must be disbanded in times of peace, the national militia can be left a standing army.
    Just as it is the right of a State to defend itself by calling forth a State militia. Washington State, for example, has a 'militia' of 75 members at the moment, which are administrative personnel. None of them are troops. If activated, the State militia can be organized pretty quickly in this way.

    We also have a National Guard base at our local federal fort, Fort Lewis.

    See Article I, $8 and $10.
    militias exist because the federal government could not keep a standing army in times of peace.

    claiming such a concept as "national militias" is bypassing the intent of why militias existed at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    The National Guard didn't exist as such prior to the end of the Spanish American war. Before that, it was called the Organized Militia, although some units called themselves National Guard. Up through at least the beginning of the Civil War militia units generally required members to purchase and own their equipment including firearms and uniforms. There was also no standard uniform and units adopted their own based generally on what the Army was using.

    In addition to the Organized militia, there were units of Volunteers formed in time of war. These were scratch units formed usually by wealthy individuals and outfitted in various ways and as various types of unit but mostly infantry or cavalry. Some more famous volunteer regiments over US history include:

    The Kentucky Mounted Rifles in the War of 1812. The governor of Kentucky called for men with means to provide themselves a horse, rifle (not musket), etc., and volunteer for service. The regiment reached about 1,000 men at its height and proved to be one of the best units the US had in the Great Lakes region.

    Wilder's "Lighting" Brigade. John Wilder, an Illinois lawyer, using regiments of volunteers devised a means of pursuing and defeating Confederate raiders / cavalry using men riding mules as dragoons (mounted infantry). He paid for his brigade to be equipped with Spencer repeating rifles--a huge increase in firepower--as well. A Confederate curse at the time about this weapon and its fearsome firepower was That damned Yankee rifle! You load it on Sunday, and it shoots all week!

    Roosevelt's Rough Riders would be another from the Spanish American War.

    These are Volunteer militia rather than organized (or standing) militia like the National Guard.
    he is a poser - a bullshit artist - even today - as we ignore the intent of the constitution and allow standing federal armies - the national guard is controlled by the state - even when called up

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_...ed_States_Code

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    Quote Originally Posted by zymurgy View Post
    he is a poser - a bullshit artist - even today - as we ignore the intent of the constitution and allow standing federal armies - the national guard is controlled by the state - even when called up

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_...ed_States_Code
    A standing federal army was always allowed under the Constitution. What limited it, and limits it is it can only be funded two years at a time, at most. The Navy on the other hand can be funded for as many years as Congress wants. The intent of that was to make it difficult to fund a large standing army because the founders thought it would be a threat to the nation whereas a navy would not and was necessary for defense of the nation and applying power in distant parts of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    for almost a decade, on this forum, there have been arguments and debates about what entity enjoys the 2nd Amendment right.......whether it was the national guard or the people of each state.......

    the right has always believed it to be a right of the people in order to defend against a tyrannical government..............

    now, the left has always sided with the idea that it's only a right of a 'well regulated militia', which would be the states national guard.

    the left has never wanted to look at the founders arguments and beliefs in what the militia is, though.........mainly because it destroys their narrative...............well, it was factually destroyed today

    https://kfor.com/news/local/oklahoma...andate-denied/

    because, IF, a states national guard can be co-opted by the federal government at any time, then it's most certainly not the militia that guarantees the security of a free state.
    you live in a fantasy world if you think a bunch of pussy gun nuts armed with every assault weapon they have could somehow stop the US from becoming a dictatorship IF THE MILITARY AND THE POLICE WERE IN ON IT. you are so out in left field. if the army did not care about civilian casualties, about collateral damage, if they received any fire from some yahoo, or bunch of yahoos, they would just level the neighborhood. and move on. get that "stop tyranny" bullshit out of your tiny little mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyszardKuklinski View Post
    Did you know Black slaves couldn't own guns!?
    did you know polacks did not know which way they should be pointed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyszardKuklinski View Post
    Did you know Nazi Germany supported disarming Jews of their guns!?
    do you think if every jew was armed it would have taken the nazi military more than a few days to kill them all? stupid? armed with guns vs. tanks, planes, other arms of war? what a fantasy.

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