Republicans are quietly rigging election maps to ensure permanent rule

[Into the Night]

Independents are Republicans. Same way libertarians are Republicans.

Redefinition fallacy.

[Into the Night]

You are so far out in wrong field. The PARTICIPATION IS MANDATORY as per Title 13 of the US code.

The Census does not require a response from people.

[Into the Night]

so you're saying everyone except demmycrats hate demmycrats.....

Oooooh. Nice shot! You properly pasted him into a corner with that one!

[Sailor]

Whether it’s gerrymandering or voter suppression or attacks on offices that provide needed checks and balances – the states have become widely undemocratic. As I outline in my book Laboratories of Autocracy, the consequences of this anti-democratic movement are only getting worse.

The past decade in Ohio, where I served in recent years as chair of the state Democratic party, shows how bad it can get – and how quickly.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...permanent-rule

How fucking stupid are you? Seriously. There is ZERO standing in the way from anyone wanting to vote in this country and whom they want to vote for. Might they have to make a little commitment to do that? Maybe. If it means enough to them the opportunity is freely available. Pipe the fuck down idiot.

[Legion]

Oh this is rich. The Democrats steal a presidential election and senatorial seats in Ga. and they are worried about cheating? Precious.

Even funnier; they conveniently "forget" that they use redistricting too, every chance they get.

Only after Republicans routed them in state and congressional elections in 2010 and redrew hundreds of districts in their own favor did DEMOCRATS express outrage. None of this stopped DEMOCRATS elsewhere from gerrymandering themselves. After the 2010 census, they drew a notoriously skewed congressional map in Maryland that left Republicans with just a single seat in the eight-member delegation. For national DEMOCRAT leaders—who include New York Representatives Sean Patrick Maloney, the chair of the DCCC, and Hakeem Jeffries, the chair of the House DEMOCRAT Caucus—the overriding objective is to have state lawmakers secure every seat they can and preserve the party’s majority in the House.


https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/03/new-york-democrats-gerrymandering-elections/618452/

[Legion]

trump

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[Nordberg]

The Census does not require a response from people.

Ah, so you cannot read with comprehension. That does show clearly. You believe what you want to.

[Legion]

There is ZERO standing in the way from anyone wanting to vote in this country and whom they want to vote for.

Even if they aren't a citizen.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/23/n...ights-nyc.html

[Legion]

Ah, so you cannot read with comprehension. That does show clearly. You believe what you want to.

“Your response is required by law.” What law is this? Has anybody been prosecuted for not responding?

Under Title 13 of the U.S. Code, you can be fined up to $100 for refusing to complete a census form and $500 for answering questions falsely. However, the Website for the U.S. Census Bureau points out that the Sentencing Reform Act of 1984 effectively increased these minimum fines to $5,000. Noncompliance used to bring the possibility of a 60-day prison sentence and a one-year prison term for false answers, but Congress struck those provisions in 1976.

For all that, a Census Bureau FAQ on the subject of the American Community Survey concedes the following:

The Census Bureau is not a prosecuting agency. Failure to provide information is not likely to result in a fine."

Although prosecutions are uncommon, people have been successfully tried and convicted. In 1960, for instance, William Rickenbacker of Briarcliff Manor, N.Y., answered the basic census questions but refused to answer the expanded questionnaire, which asked about the economic status of his household. He argued that it represented an invasion of his privacy. A federal judge disagreed, fining him $100 and handing him a 60-day suspended prison sentence.

Rickenbacker answered some questions, so his noncompliance was obvious—but how would the federal authorities know about someone who simply refused to return the form? When a census form is not returned, the Census Bureau sends workers to follow up in person. They will return as many as six times to the same residence. That information can be referred to the Justice Department as the basis for prosecution.

Not all prosecutions go smoothly for the government, however. Hawaii resident William Steele appealed a conviction and an accompanying $50 fine he received for not fully answering his questionnaire during the 1970 census. Steele argued that he had been singled out for prosecution because he participated in a public protest against the census. An appeals court agreed and threw out his conviction.


https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2010/03/can-you-get-in-trouble-for-not-filling-out-your-census-form.html

[Sailor]

Even if they aren't a citizen.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/23/n...ights-nyc.html

The funny thing about this is how stupid democrats are. Most people coming into this country legally and illegally are from failed socialist countries. They are in fact conservative. democrats are just falling all over themselves to provide an avenue for conservatives to throw them out of office. One just cannot make this shit up!

[Legion]

The funny thing about this is how stupid democrats are. Most people coming into this country legally and illegally are from failed socialist countries. They are in fact conservative. democrats are just falling all over themselves to provide an avenue for conservatives to throw them out of office. One just cannot make this shit up!

Since most people don't bother to vote, anyway, and the DEMOCRATS know that, the DEMOCRATS "generously" do their voting for them.

[Sailor]

Since most people don't bother to vote, anyway, and the DEMOCRATS know that, the DEMOCRATS "generously" do their voting for them.

More truth than anything there....

[Into the Night]

Ah, so you cannot read with comprehension. That does show clearly. You believe what you want to.

Title 13 changes nothing. The Census does not require a response from people. Attempted proof by false authority.

[Into the Night]

“Your response is required by law.” What law is this? Has anybody been prosecuted for not responding?

Under Title 13 of the U.S. Code, you can be fined up to $100 for refusing to complete a census form and $500 for answering questions falsely. However, the Website for the U.S. Census Bureau points out that the Sentencing Reform Act of 1984 effectively increased these minimum fines to $5,000. Noncompliance used to bring the possibility of a 60-day prison sentence and a one-year prison term for false answers, but Congress struck those provisions in 1976.

For all that, a Census Bureau FAQ on the subject of the American Community Survey concedes the following:

The Census Bureau is not a prosecuting agency. Failure to provide information is not likely to result in a fine."

Although prosecutions are uncommon, people have been successfully tried and convicted. In 1960, for instance, William Rickenbacker of Briarcliff Manor, N.Y., answered the basic census questions but refused to answer the expanded questionnaire, which asked about the economic status of his household. He argued that it represented an invasion of his privacy. A federal judge disagreed, fining him $100 and handing him a 60-day suspended prison sentence.

Rickenbacker answered some questions, so his noncompliance was obvious—but how would the federal authorities know about someone who simply refused to return the form? When a census form is not returned, the Census Bureau sends workers to follow up in person. They will return as many as six times to the same residence. That information can be referred to the Justice Department as the basis for prosecution.

Not all prosecutions go smoothly for the government, however. Hawaii resident William Steele appealed a conviction and an accompanying $50 fine he received for not fully answering his questionnaire during the 1970 census. Steele argued that he had been singled out for prosecution because he participated in a public protest against the census. An appeals court agreed and threw out his conviction.


https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2010/03/can-you-get-in-trouble-for-not-filling-out-your-census-form.html

The Census is taken by Census takers. All that is required is a simple count of the population. No one has to fill out a census form or answer any other questions.
See Article I of the Constitution of the United States and the constitutions of the various States, which must redistrict according to the census enumeration.

Title 13 does NOT override the Constitution of the United States. See Articles I and III, and the 4th, 5th, 9th, 10th, and 14th amendments.

[gemini104104]

Whether it’s gerrymandering or voter suppression or attacks on offices that provide needed checks and balances – the states have become widely undemocratic. As I outline in my book Laboratories of Autocracy, the consequences of this anti-democratic movement are only getting worse.

The past decade in Ohio, where I served in recent years as chair of the state Democratic party, shows how bad it can get – and how quickly.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...permanent-rule

It's not so quiet anymore at being fully exposed. Yet the demagogues do have the propensity of outwitting themselves:

Which Supreme Court case made gerrymandering unconstitutional?
Whitford, 585 U.S. ___ (2018), was a United States Supreme Court case involving the constitutionality of partisan gerrymandering.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gill_v._Whitford