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    Default Immanuel Kant vs. John Stuart Mill

    Immanuel Kant: morals are categorical imperatives -- morality is an absolute objective truth which exists independent of human thought and opinion.

    John Stuart Mill: ethics are constructed by humans on the basis of utilitarian and practical considerations. Consequences matter in the context of ethics. Whatever brings happiness to the greatest number of people is a true measure of morality.


    According to Kant there are absolute truths of morality. One can arrive at these truths through rational thought. Kant gives us various formulations of his rule of the categorical imperative which is, Kant believes, wholly derived from rational thought.

    In contrast to Kantian ethics, the nature of morality in Mill's formulation of utilitarianism does not require an appeal to absolute ethical truths separate from situational applications. For Mill, morality is established through consideration of the utility to humankind of any given action.

    https://www.csueastbay.edu/philosoph...yrus-fish.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Immanuel Kant: morals are categorical imperatives -- morality is an absolute objective truth which exists independent of human thought and opinion.

    John Stuart Mill: ethics are constructed by humans on the basis of utilitarian and practical considerations. Consequences matter in the context of ethics. Whatever brings happiness to the greatest number of people is a true measure of morality.
    Kant was just stating Christian theology in secular terms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Kant was just stating Christian theology in secular terms.
    Yes.
    He was also responding to Hume's skepticism and irreligiousity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Yes.
    He was also responding to Hume's skepticism and irreligiousity.
    Hume was not a sceptic. But...we can debate that if you so choose.

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    from the internet
    Moral universalism (also called moral objectivism) is the meta-ethical position that some system of ethics, or a universal ethic, applies universally, that is, for "all similarly situated individuals", regardless of culture, race, sex, religion, nationality, sexual orientation, gender identity, or any other distinguishing feature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Hume was not a sceptic. But...we can debate that if you so choose.
    Most professional philosophers I have listened to, and most reputable internet sources I have read consider Hume to be famous for his skepticism.

    Encyclopedia Britannica

    David Hume, Scottish philosopher, historian, economist, and essayist known especially for his philosophical empiricism and skepticism.

    https://www.britannica.com/biography/David-Hume
    His skepticism seems self evident to me. He thought all our mind has access to is experiences filtered through sensory perception - and we therefore can never have actual knowlege of objective reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goat View Post
    from the internet
    Moral universalism (also called moral objectivism) is the meta-ethical position that some system of ethics, or a universal ethic, applies universally, that is, for "all similarly situated individuals", regardless of culture, race, sex, religion, nationality, sexual orientation, gender identity, or any other distinguishing feature.
    Sounds vaguely Kantian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Most professional philosophers I have listened to, and most reputable internet sources I have read consider Hume to be famous for his skepticism

    And Trump won the election. 'They say' is not an argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    we therefore can never have actual knowlege of objective reality.
    He never says that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Sounds vaguely Kantian
    I was attempting to side with John Stuart Mill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Most professional philosophers I have listened to, and most reputable internet sources I have read consider Hume to be famous for his skepticism.

    His skepticism seems self evident to me. He thought all our mind has access to is experiences filtered through sensory perception - and we therefore can never have actual knowlege of objective reality.
    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    He never says that.
    That is precisely what Hume says

    Encyclopedia Britannica

    Hume tried to describe how the mind works in acquiring what is called knowledge. He concluded that no theory of reality is possible; there can be no knowledge of anything beyond experience.

    https://www.britannica.com/biography/David-Hume

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    That is precisely what Hume says
    When you cite something by I'll read it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    That is precisely what Hume says
    When you cite something by I'll read it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goat View Post
    I was attempting to side with John Stuart Mill.
    Mill's view of ethics was utilitarian and situational. I thought the quote you posted was making the case a moral reality is universal and objectively true. May be I read the quote wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    When you cite something by I'll read it.
    Encyclopedia Britannica is a highly reputable source and it confirms and corroborates exactly what I said about Hume.

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