For first time, US added to annual list of ‘backsliding’ democracies

**Nordberg** · 11-22-2021, 12:40 PM

The truth is Trump has no respect for American systems. He did not care what he tore down in his desire for absolute power. He started off installing some qualified and strong people into positions. When they were insufficiently acquiescent, he fired them and put in suckups. He accepted no back talk. They followed orders. When some of them called Trump an unqualified idiot, they were gone. Trump remains an unqualified idiot.
He went through AGs until he arrived at Barr. He was as Fascistic as Trump. https://www.brookings.edu/research/t...dministration/

**Stringfellow Hawk** · 11-22-2021, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by Nordberg

The truth is Trump has no respect for American systems. He did not care what he tore down in his desire for absolute power. He started off installing some qualified and strong people into positions. When they were insufficiently acquiescent, he fired them and put in suckups. He accepted no back talk. They followed orders. When some of them called Trump an unqualified idiot, they were gone. Trump remains an unqualified idiot.
He went through AGs until he arrived at Barr. He was as Fascistic as Trump. https://www.brookings.edu/research/t...dministration/

note to Nordberg, Trump isn't President, the seeds that are tearing this country apart started with Obama and now that same spreader is being executed by Biden. Obama and Biden, are giving us Republican Governors in Virginia, acquittals for citizens following the constitution, lots more to come

**PoliTalker** · 11-22-2021, 02:40 PM

Hello martin,

Originally Posted by martin

Thanks, moon. It's an important warning that will be mocked and ignored by the backsliders themselves. The Big Lies demand nothing less. The quote below is from the announcement:

“A historic turning point came in 2020-21 when former president Donald Trump questioned the legitimacy of the 2020 election results in the United States,” the report said, referring to a campaign by the former president and his allies to overturn the 2020 US election results, which culminated in Trump’s supporters storming the seat of the US legislature on January 6.

The report also cited growing polarisation in the US, as well as state voting laws “disproportionately affecting minorities in a negative way”.

Funny thing.

Been havin a discussion about just that:

Trump Hurt America Badly By Not Conceding

I believe it is true.

**Callinectes** · 11-22-2021, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by martin

I stopped after that first wonderful declaration of pride at what the U.S. shares with The People's Republic of China and the former Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Tell me, friend, what non-monarchy nation on the globe is not a republic.

Yeah, russia and china also have constitutions too. And did you know the official name of north korea is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea? See what I'm getting at? It's why I specifically said "American style democracy", which I think is headed in the direction of these socialist and communist shitholes. Oh! Almost forgot! Did you know saddam hussien got something like 99% of the vote his last election? He was the president of the REPUBLIC of iraq!

I think we all know the story of the woman who asked Ben Franklin as he was leaving the constitutional convention in 1787, “What have you given us, Dr. Franklin, a monarchy or a republic?” Of course, Franklin's reply was “A republic, Madam, if you can keep it.” He was commenting on how much work it would take to keep the republic, and not have it slide into the abyss. We don't work very hard at the republic anymore. But we're killing the democracy part though!

We pay lip service to the idea of a constitutional republic, but it's hard work, so we just piss and moan about democracy because mob rule is easy.

***leaningright*** · 11-22-2021, 09:19 PM

Copied my post on the other thread about this and pasting it here too.

We’re probably on that list at least partly because many of us are so resistant to globalism and having our citizens subject to the same restrictions as other countries’ citizens. The first few that come to my mind are fuel prices/consumption, recycling, gun laws and drastic, continual shutdowns due to COVID. Many of us want no part of globalism in general though. I know I don’t. Shoot, I don’t even want to be subject to the same restrictive laws that my friends in California have to put up with.

I’m not a Republican so I couldn’t vote for a Republican in the primaries in 2016 and if I could have I would have voted for Cruz. But after it came down to Hillary and Trump I was pleasantly happy to learn that he wasn’t a globalist either. He campaigned on it and when elected he followed through with it. He insisted that the countries who had been getting breaks since WWII renegotiate fairer tariff rates. He also pointed out that many of the European countries hadn’t come through on their promise (since WWII) to devote at least 2% of their GDP to their own defense spending. None of that endeared us to the folks across the pond.

In short, at least it was evident that Trump put the US first. I didn’t have a problem with that. Even the wall, which I am indifferent about, was trying to do something about the problem at our southern border. And there is a problem no matter how much Joe and Kamala turn a blind eye to it. Once again, the guy campaigned on it and would have accomplished it if he wasn’t blocked at every turn. But I’m digressing.

Nothing has happened to make us more or less of the democratic republic our constitution spells us out to be. As the poster above me has noted, “we have the power to kick anybody out of office and shut down any powerful corporation.” Think about it…Trump is no longer president because of the power of the vote.

**BidenPresident** · 11-22-2021, 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by leaningright

Copied my post on the other thread about this and pasting it here too.

We’re probably on that list at least partly because many of us are so resistant to globalism and having our citizens subject to the same restrictions as other countries’ citizens. The first few that come to my mind are fuel prices/consumption, recycling, gun laws and drastic, continual shutdowns due to COVID. Many of us want no part of globalism in general though. I know I don’t. Shoot, I don’t even want to be subject to the same restrictive laws that my friends in California have to put up with.

I’m not a Republican so I couldn’t vote for a Republican in the primaries in 2016 and if I could have I would have voted for Cruz. But after it came down to Hillary and Trump I was pleasantly happy to learn that he wasn’t a globalist either. He campaigned on it and when elected he followed through with it. He insisted that the countries who had been getting breaks since WWII renegotiate fairer tariff rates. He also pointed out that many of the European countries hadn’t come through on their promise (since WWII) to devote at least 2% of their GDP to their own defense spending. None of that endeared us to the folks across the pond.

In short, at least it was evident that Trump put the US first. I didn’t have a problem with that. Even the wall, which I am indifferent about, was trying to do something about the problem at our southern border. And there is a problem no matter how much Joe and Kamala turn a blind eye to it. Once again, the guy campaigned on it and would have accomplished it if he wasn’t blocked at every turn. But I’m digressing.

Nothing has happened to make us more or less of the democratic republic our constitution spells us out to be. As the poster above me has noted, “we have the power to kick anybody out of office and shut down any powerful corporation.” Think about it…Trump is no longer president because of the power of the vote.

blah blah globalism

**Jarod** · 11-22-2021, 09:38 PM

We had an insurrection and the Republicans are trying to limit voting… So!!!

**Nordberg** · 11-22-2021, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by Stringfellow Hawk

note to Nordberg, Trump isn't President, the seeds that are tearing this country apart started with Obama and now that same spreader is being executed by Biden. Obama and Biden, are giving us Republican Governors in Virginia, acquittals for citizens following the constitution, lots more to come

I thought he was for 4 years. Was that a bad dream? Trump has put the election process into the shredder of Fascism. He was knocking down the walls of separation between the branches. Trump is a mafia chief. The first thing he asked for was loyalty to him.
Obama was surprisingly middle of the road. We expected him to be more progressive. He did not do wrong. Trump simply does not care about laws, rules, and regulations.

**moon** · 11-23-2021, 03:11 AM

Venezuela opposition says it must rebuild after electoral loss
About 42 percent of eligible voters cast ballots in Sunday’s vote, which saw Venezuelan opposition suffer heavy defeat.

Opposition candidates won in only three out of 23 states, while Maduro’s allies won 18 governorships, according to updated election results published by the National Electoral Council (CNE) on Monday.

Guaido, the former speaker of Congress who is recognised by the US and its allies as Venezuela’s rightful leader, said on Monday that the opposition needed to “rebuild itself” after the disappointing result.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/...electoral-loss

It speaks volumes about the state of democracy at home when the US government actually recognizes the losers of foreign democratic elections as the legitimate leaders of those countries.
Small fucking wonder that El TRumpo thought he could walk into power as President Loser.

**moon** · 11-23-2021, 03:15 AM

WATCH: Decoration behind US-backed Venezuelan leader falls apart

Juan Guaido, the opposition politician recognized by the US as “interim president” of Venezuela, was in the midst of a passionate speech when the coat of arms mounted on the stage behind him collapsed on the floor.
The round wooden sign displaying Venezuela’s insignia seems to have been nudged by someone passing behind the stage and clattered to the ground behind Guaido as he was answering a question. The moment was caught on camera and quickly made rounds on social media on Monday. One Twitter user captioned it, “when the theater drops.”

https://www.rt.com/news/541011-guaid...uela-collapse/

When the stage -hands know you're an American puppet- everybody knows you're an American puppet.

**Stringfellow Hawk** · 11-23-2021, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by Nordberg

I thought he was for 4 years. Was that a bad dream? Trump has put the election process into the shredder of Fascism. He was knocking down the walls of separation between the branches. Trump is a mafia chief. The first thing he asked for was loyalty to him.
Obama was surprisingly middle of the road. We expected him to be more progressive. He did not do wrong. Trump simply does not care about laws, rules, and regulations.

Obama was not middle of the road you moron, he started the racial division all over again and his relentless attacks on the middle class set us back 50 years.