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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Cinnabar,



    How do they have that power?

    They don't have 60 votes in the Senate.

    And they have Sinema, who calls herself a Dem but votes like a Repub.

    The real thing holding the Dems back from doing this is there simply are not enough of them in office.

    Come on, Americans!

    Do you want to continue to give the super-rich this big tax break?

    You KNOW the Trump party is never undoing it.

    If we voted in a whole Congress full of people like Elizabeth Warren, AOC and Bernie it would happen in a heartbeat!
    Which is why the republicans cheat in elections

    It’s pays even when the people OVERWHELMINGLY vote against the republicans evil racists ideas

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello evince,



    Hey. If people want to run from the Republican party I can understand that. What the Republican party stands for now is shameful and embarrassing.
    nope. America first is just what we need right now, in this era of rampant internationalist fascism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    Which is why the republicans cheat in elections

    It’s pays even when the people OVERWHELMINGLY vote against the republicans evil racists ideas
    ...said the dem cheater.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello evince,



    Hey. If people want to run from the Republican party I can understand that. What the Republican party stands for now is shameful and embarrassing.
    But then he goes right back to them


    When they all here realized Bush Lied us to war they got their eyes opened



    Then they just closed their eyes again

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    But then he goes right back to them


    When they all here realized Bush Lied us to war they got their eyes opened



    Then they just closed their eyes again
    getting out of Afghanistan was trumps idea.

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    the left has been played by the left for a century

    Fact - your labor is taxed because of a soak the rich political campaign to get an amendment to allow us to tax income of rich people. nobody than dreamed of it being used to take hard earned money out of your check before you even see it

    it is happening again. in order to continue to deficit spend, we have to show we can milk the citizens - so you will allow snooping of accounts with $600, - so you know - you can soak the rich

    IDIOTS

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    The two bills in the House will establish what kind of tax they do. Could be a millionaire's tax.
    Bull, they are enacting new loopholes, and carve outs, and tax credits to the wealthy. Politicians are the wealthy, and they will not bite the lobbyist, and corporate handouts that feed them!

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    Hello Micawber,

    Quote Originally Posted by Micawber View Post
    To an extent yes, but the Republican party is a fascist rogue anti-democratic White nationalist party.
    Parties that oppose democracy should not be allowed to participate in it. Parties that oppose government should not be allowed to
    participate in it. In both cases the only reason they participate is to destroy it.

    So Dems don't maximize the interests of their constituents and do engage in fraud waste and abuse, but Republicans are
    antithetical to almost all of the most bedrock tenets of American life: honesty, decency, law abiding, democratic, pluralistic, and equality of opportunity.

    Republicans are a menace to the United States, a cancer from within. And worst still, most members don't believe this despite that it is patently obvious,
    so they can't fix themselves. It's simply a horrible situation we are in. It all goes back to Trumpism. Their cowardly sniveling leadership
    can't tell the truth because of Trump's stranglehold on the base, so they partake in the disgusting fascist and vote suppression agenda,
    patent racist policy and rhetoric and the Trump crime spree and treason protection racket.
    That's a good assessment but it leaves out the Putin factor.

    Vladimir Putin is ex KGB and a very dirty player. He is totally corrupt and is bleeding Russia of wealth and productivity.

    Things are so bad in Russia, that Putin cannot allow the USA to do well and become functionally effective in progress.

    Putin would have a tougher time clinging to power if people in Russia could look at the USA and see how it's done with fair democracy.

    For this reason Putin needs to disrupt American democracy, throw a wrench into our monkey-works.

    If America is bitterly polarized and rife with hatred, this works to Putin's advantage. So he brings that about.

    If people in Russia think they have it bad, all Putin has to do is point to the USA and say: "You think they have it any better?"

    Why should Putin attack Americans when he can get Americans to attack themselves?

    Years ago we were told that future wars would be cyber wars.

    We all wondered what form that would take.

    Now we have our answer.

    They use social media to get us to fight ourselves.

    And it is working.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    its not just presidents. look at all the millionaires in the congress and senate
    Aye to that.
    " First they came for the journalists...
    We don't know what happened after that . "

    Maria Ressa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Micawber,



    That's a good assessment but it leaves out the Putin factor.

    Vladimir Putin is ex KGB and a very dirty player. He is totally corrupt and is bleeding Russia of wealth and productivity.

    Things are so bad in Russia, that Putin cannot allow the USA to do well and become functionally effective in progress.

    Putin would have a tougher time clinging to power if people in Russia could look at the USA and see how it's done with fair democracy.

    For this reason Putin needs to disrupt American democracy, throw a wrench into our monkey-works.

    If America is bitterly polarized and rife with hatred, this works to Putin's advantage. So he brings that about.

    If people in Russia think they have it bad, all Putin has to do is point to the USA and say: "You think they have it any better?"

    Why should Putin attack Americans when he can get Americans to attack themselves?

    Years ago we were told that future wars would be cyber wars.

    We all wondered what form that would take.

    Now we have our answer.

    They use social media to get us to fight ourselves.

    And it is working.
    it's a horrible assessment.

    you believe lies exclusivlely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    I don't take that for granted. There's still a year until the next election.
    History tells us that dems don't show up to vote in the midterms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goat View Post
    History tells us that dems don't show up to vote in the midterms.
    And the Republican Party cheats in those elections too


    More try to come out butt………

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    Hello cawacko,

    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Take up your argument with the OP who is basically a Green Party equivalent member who thinks the Democratic Party is too corporate and too beholden to big money interests and doesn't represent the will of the people. Your issue is with the OP. Defend your party to the OP, not me.
    You can try to tell me how to respond and who to respond to but I have a mind of my own and the freedom to make those choices for myself.

    Let us just recap, shall we?

    You responded to the OP with this:

    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    It depends on what you want. It you want to fundamentally transform America like you do you aren’t getting it voting for either party.
    I replied to you with this:

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello cawacko,



    Yeah, I'm calling BS on that one. Dems were never given a proper chance to carry out their mission.

    Don't become disillusioned with Democrats, America.

    Instead, vote enough of them in so they can really do what they've talked about doing.

    How can you say they haven't lived up to what they said when they were never given the numbers to do it?

    Vote more Dems in!
    You never really addressed my point and have been trying to justify your own view ever since and I have been telling your why I believe it is flawed.

    Conservatives talked about forming their own party right after January 6th. We know why that didn't happen and it is the same reason Democrats don't want to see a new progressive party. If you split your own side into two parties it hands power to the other side.

    The only way to power in America is to build up one of the major parties and convince enough people to support it in order to gain the majority in Congress and win the presidency as well.
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    Yes


    Our system naturally forms two major parties

    Majority consolidation of the vote wins



    It actually works great when both partys actually want to create great answers for where we need to head



    The Republican Party has not been one since Ike

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