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    Nobody can figure out what the founders did.

    I wonder what the popular drugs were at the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    Nobody can figure out what the founders did.
    it's actually pretty easy, if one knows how to read and comprehend..........that puts most liberals out of the group
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Not the point. Right now, the Senate sans the 17th Amendment would be about 54 to 56 Republicans to Democrats based on who controls state governorships and legislatures. It could reverse based on elections over time. You're focused only on the immediate present. That wasn't how the Senate was supposed to be. The House, yes, but not the Senate. It is how things are because the Senate has turned into a second House.
    In other words, the Senate is a creature of party politics. Not the Founders intention and couldn't have been since party politics were a thing of the future in 1787. The real point is Senators know where their bread is buttered and it's strictly with the voters in their states.
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    Quote Originally Posted by martin View Post
    In other words, the Senate is a creature of party politics. Not the Founders intention and couldn't have been since party politics were a thing of the future in 1787. The real point is Senators know where their bread is buttered and it's strictly with the voters in their states.
    No, the real point is that those people who are in Congress now are the worst useless treasonous fucks in Congress we have ever seen, bar none.

    Buckle Up Fuckers!
    The bottom line is that conservatives cant admit to themselves the Evil they have allowed to romp on their watch.

    This is going to hurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Because as the constitution puts it, what isn't specifically spelled out as a federal function in it is reserved to the states, or the people.
    But education falls under general welfare, so what else ya got?
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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    There isn't a goddamned thing in the constitution about the feds running education.
    The feds don't run education now, but even if they did, what is the reason they shouldn't?

    "Because the Constitution" isn't a valid reason due to the General Welfare clause.

    You are incoherent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    If different states approach education differently, that's fine.
    Expand on the "different approach". What does that mean? Because it's very vague and ambiguous...I think that is intentional on your part to be as vague and ambiguous as possible so that you can wiggle around the parameters of your argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    If you or anybody else doesn't like how your state does it, move to one that does do it the way you like or get your state to change its system.
    Well, simply moving is easier said than done, and the Constitution does grant Congress the power to legislate for the General Welfare of the US, of which education is inarguably a part.

    So what is the argument FOR ceding ambiguous "education" to the states?

    As I asked before, do kids in Minnesota learn a different kind of calculus than kids in Mississippi? And if so, what is the difference?
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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    The nine justices on the bench, just like always.
    Of which there is a 6-3 partisan bent.

    So you're arguing that SCOTUS is non-partisan, but it clearly is partisan since 4 of the 6 Conservative justices were nominated by a Conservative who lost the popular vote, and 5 of the 6 Conservative justices were approved by Senators that represent less than half the population of the country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    The 17th ruined the Senate.
    What is the philosophical argument for letting state legislatures pick Senators? Because it seems like your argument is "because I want it that way", which is very insolent and childish.


    State legislatures or governors picked the senators to represent THE STATE, not the people
    The State is the People, and the People are the State. The State would be nothing without the People, but the People could exist without the State.


    By going to a direct popular vote for senators, the Senate is now a carbon copy of the House only with longer terms in office.
    So what? You still haven't given an adequate reason why you want to abolish a Constitutional Amendment.

    "Just because" isn't a reason. You need to do better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    What is the philosophical argument for letting state legislatures pick Senators? Because it seems like your argument is "because I want it that way", which is very insolent and childish.




    The State is the People, and the People are the State. The State would be nothing without the People, but the People could exist without the State.




    So what? You still haven't given an adequate reason why you want to abolish a Constitutional Amendment.

    "Just because" isn't a reason. You need to do better.
    the people are not the state.
    morality is a set of beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that facilitate voluntary, cooperative and mutually beneficial relationships.



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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Yes, yes, yes... The Left loves a good dictatorship. That's why the set them up whenever they can. Taking the power to appoint senators from the states was a way to consolidate power in the hands of the mob.
    Literally 10 months ago, you people attempted a coup in order to overturn an election and install a dictator.

    Well, YOU didn't do that...you just egged it on from the sidelines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    the people are not the state.
    Yes they are.

    The State would be nothing without the People.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    Yes they are.

    The State would be nothing without the People.
    I know you hate having to read historical or legal documentation because it fucks with your delusional outlook, but maybe you should try reading the 10th Amendment and see that it does indeed classify the state and the people as two different entities

    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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