Do you think many on the right even understand what the Founding Fathers did?

[T. A. Gardner]

Who controls SCOTUS right now? You clowns do. So...what are you talking about? You're incoherent.

The nine justices on the bench, just like always.

[T. A. Gardner]

What a goalpost shift!

Just half a dozen posts ago, you were screaming that the 17th Amendment ruined America because the gerrymandered state legislatures can't pick Senators anymore.

So then you start shifting and moving goalposts...you were absolutist about this, and now you're hedging and I know exactly why.

So America has been ruined because it doesn't follow 18th century governance, except when it does, but it also when it doesn't.

Incoherent babble.

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The 17th ruined the Senate. State legislatures or governors picked the senators to represent THE STATE, not the people (that's the function of the House), nor the nation (President). By going to a direct popular vote for senators, the Senate is now a carbon copy of the House only with longer terms in office.

[SmarterthanYou]

The 17th ruined the Senate. State legislatures or governors picked the senators to represent THE STATE, not the people (that's the function of the House), nor the nation (President). By going to a direct popular vote for senators, the Senate is now a carbon copy of the House only with longer terms in office.

liberals will defend the 17th because popular vote will always win out for people promised money, even though their elected reps become millionaires on the backs of their constituency..............they will deny that of course, but we all know they are lying through their collective teeth

[T. A. Gardner]

liberals will defend the 17th because popular vote will always win out for people promised money, even though their elected reps become millionaires on the backs of their constituency..............they will deny that of course, but we all know they are lying through their collective teeth

Yes, yes, yes... The Left loves a good dictatorship. That's why the set them up whenever they can. Taking the power to appoint senators from the states was a way to consolidate power in the hands of the mob.

[Into the Night]

So kids in Texas learn a different kind of Algebra than kids in Massachusetts?

What algebra is that, specifically?

There is no such thing as a 'different kind of algebra'.

[Into the Night]

Yes it has, I literally just showed how it has changed for you in the 230+ years since the Constitution.

You don't shit in a hole you dug in the ground anymore, do you?

You don't cross long distances by horse and buggy, do you?

You don't use leeches as health care, do you?

You don't use the rain to bathe, do you?

You don't use carrier pigeons to take messages to people, do you?

So since you live your life according to a 21st century standard, why do you want 18th century governance?

Random phrases. No apparent coherency.

[Into the Night]

The only fallacy here is yours...

You live your personal life according to a 21st century standard, yet you want to apply an 18th century standard to governance.

That's the fallacy at the heart of your argument that you haven't solved for, you've just tried to dismiss because of how detrimental it is to you argument.

So instead of defending your compulsion to apply an 18th century standard to 21st century society, you seek to dismiss it.

You can't defend it and you realized that pointing out the fallacy at the heart of your case completely undermines all of it.

Denial of logic. The fallacies he listed as you committing (YOU committed them!) is accurate.

[PoliTalker]

Hello Jarod,

They love these lies. Cant get enough.

Facts and real information are so dull, so not supportive of their narrative.

Making up their own 'news' and 'history' plays into their fantasy so much better!

They wouldn't know what tyranny was if it crushed their lives.

They think the main stream media presenting the actual news is 'tyranny.'

[martin]

The 17th ruined the Senate. State legislatures or governors picked the senators to represent THE STATE, not the people (that's the function of the House), nor the nation (President). By going to a direct popular vote for senators, the Senate is now a carbon copy of the House only with longer terms in office.

Ask Joe Manchin if Senators no longer represent their states. They still do of course, as Manchin has been demonstrating. The difference between now and then is the sectional differences in the country which were once acute no longer are so there are fewer occasions like the one involving West Virginia and none that compare with the divisions between slave and free states or Western and Eastern states during the expansion periods.

[Matt Dillon]

In all fairness do you think anyone on the left has a clue what the Constitution says? Or means?....

If they do, they loathe it.

[Matt Dillon]

You mean protecting slaveholders, because that's what the purpose of the EC was.

Tiny political minorities should not have veto power over the government, and nowhere in the Constitution does it give the political minority that power.

You FAIL!

[ThatOwlWoman]

I'm not denying the electoral college.....I am denying the legality of the election in Georgia, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin where the state government violated the constitution by changing the election laws from those set by the state legislatures.....

Of course. It was all illegal. All of those states have (R) legislatures. Two have (D) governors, one does not. Are you saying that even so they passed laws to cheat your #MalignantMessiah out of the WH?

Try harder. It's not working.

[SmarterthanYou]

Ask Joe Manchin if Senators no longer represent their states. They still do of course, as Manchin has been demonstrating. The difference between now and then is the sectional differences in the country which were once acute no longer are so there are fewer occasions like the one involving West Virginia and none that compare with the divisions between slave and free states or Western and Eastern states during the expansion periods.

spoken like someone who doesn't want to understand how representative democracies are supposed to work

[T. A. Gardner]

Ask Joe Manchin if Senators no longer represent their states. They still do of course, as Manchin has been demonstrating. The difference between now and then is the sectional differences in the country which were once acute no longer are so there are fewer occasions like the one involving West Virginia and none that compare with the divisions between slave and free states or Western and Eastern states during the expansion periods.

Not the point. Right now, the Senate sans the 17th Amendment would be about 54 to 56 Republicans to Democrats based on who controls state governorships and legislatures. It could reverse based on elections over time. You're focused only on the immediate present. That wasn't how the Senate was supposed to be. The House, yes, but not the Senate. It is how things are because the Senate has turned into a second House.

[PostmodernProphet]

Of course. It was all illegal. All of those states have (R) legislatures. Two have (D) governors, one does not. Are you saying that even so they passed laws to cheat your #MalignantMessiah out of the WH?

Try harder. It's not working.

all three had Ds who changed voting laws put in place by the Rs in the state legislature in violation of the US constitution.......a total of 75,000 votes in those three states put O'biden in the Offal Office........he's not working....try harder.......