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    Default Don’t let Dems turn America into a European-style, cradle-to-grave welfare state

    An excellent article and argument of why Democrats need to be sent packing in 2022 and 2024.

    Don’t let Dems turn America into a European-style, cradle-to-grave welfare state

    More destructive than any specific policy item modern Democrats are pushing this year are the ideas they use to justify their agenda.

    The $3.5 trillion bill that President Joe Biden and Democrats are now attempting to cram through Congress via reconciliation is meant to create a European-style, cradle-to-grave welfare state here in the United States. Sen. Bernie Sanders, the bill’s Senate author, has, for years, praised systems across the Atlantic. As have many other Democrats.

    There are numerous specific arguments against the agenda that further expands an already onerous bureaucratic state, but it is the idea that traditional American life needs reimagining that should be rejected first. Because the most vociferous champions of the European-style governance are invariably the most passionate critics of the dynamism and glorious messiness of American life. The factors that propel our economic superiority — the unplanned and lightly regulated, individualistic and seemingly disordered free markets — chafe against the technocratic sensibilities of Democrats. For them, even American exceptionalism, the idea that the United States occupies a unique position in world history, is ugly and plainly wrong.


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    So, they now perpetuate a corrosive culture of victimhood and dependence that already often permeates many European nations. And one of the most destructive untruths of the Europhile is his contention that the meritocracy doesn’t even exist. To convince people of this, he will fearmonger about growing poverty, the shrinking “middle class,” the rise of inequality and the inability of Americans to achieve their dreams without the paternalistic help of technocrats. (I debunk many of these claims in my new book, “Eurotrash: Why America Must Reject the Failed Ideas of a Dying Continent.”)

    Americans have long touted the value of personal responsibility, though they have often been mocked by elites as hopelessly simplistic when they do. Yet, according to the World Values Survey, 70 percent of Americans still believe that the poor can escape poverty if they work hard enough — though you wouldn’t know it listening to today’s Democrats. Only 35 percent of Europeans share this view. Europeans also believe that the wealthy are undeserving of their riches — which, due to a lack of entrepreneurship, lots of regulations and rent-seeking, they often are.


    This is so true. One time, my German uncle asked me why Americans give so much to charity. When I explained it to him, his response was, that's what we Germans look to the Government to do. Yes, they have been so fully indoctrinated with the belief of Socialism, they cannot possibly comprehend how their liberties have been eroded over time.

    Wealthy Americans are far more likely to have earned their money. In one long-term study titled “Family, Education, and Sources of Wealth among the Richest Americans, 1982-2012,” economists Steven N. Kaplan and Joshua D. Rauh investigated the behaviors and backgrounds of the 400 wealthiest individuals in the United States over 30 years as reported by Forbes. They found that the share of the self-made wealthy had risen from 40 percent in 1982 to 69 percent by 2011. Similarly, an analysis by finance researchers for the libertarian Cato Journal determined that half of the wealth in the Forbes 400 has been “newly created in one generation.”
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    What Democrats refuse to acknowledge are the trade-offs that accompany their utopianism. They either ignore or dismiss the economic downsides of dependency, and they dismiss the numerous core freedoms, both individual and communal, that are lost when living under the bureaucratic thumb of a monolithic, centralized, soul-sucking enterprise like the European Union.

    The all-encompassing welfare system progressives champion is reliant on transfer programs that pose moral hazards for society. As the money and benefits of redistribution become more generous, increasing numbers of citizens are incentivized to set aside their traditionally strong work ethic and rely on the state. We see this today, as the largest number of people who have left the work force during COVID-19 and not returned — despite the availability of jobs — are those making more money from unemployment benefits than their former job.

    No one should dismiss the inherent unfairness that sometimes exists in any system, but a society that values and incentivizes personal self-determination also creates a strong work ethic, a strong sense of fairness and more opportunity. If we follow Europe, we are in danger of losing those attributes.


    Democrats and leftists economic theories center upon this nonsensical zero-sum-game argument. That is, if someone has a lot of wealth, someone else received less. But that is a lie.

    Economies are infinite. Wealth grows exponentially when the market is allowed to do what it does best, match consumers with goods and services.

    When Bill Gates invented his Microsoft products, he became an multi-billionaire. He also created a LOT of wealth. Many millionaires and thousands of high paying jobs went along with his success. With that, we had MORE tax paying citizens and thus, Government received more income. That is how the world works. Create opportunity and educate your citizens and growth, happiness and success will follow.

    But that is not how the Democratic Party defines itself these days. They want certain parts of the population to believe that the economy is unfair and that some benefit while others are left out. They rely on the victimization of their constituents and cancelation of those who oppose them. The reason is simple. It becomes much harder to promise free stuff and buy votes from those who don't need your Government programs.

    This author is 100% correct. If we want to save this grand Republic, our citizens need to wake up and reject the lies, false narratives and mischaracterizations hurled by the Obama's, the Pelosi's, the Shumer's and Biden's of the world.
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    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


    A lie doesn't become the truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good just because it is accepted by a majority.
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    Americans are more generous than Europeans — by a large margin

    Liberals often love to portray America as a cartoonishly greedy nation driven by a hyperindividualistic and capitalistic nature that exhibits little concern regarding the common good or others around the world.

    This idea pervades our culture. When asked to describe themselves, 68 percent of Americans came to the word “selfish” as the top negative trait.

    Yet by nearly every measure Americans are more generous with their money and time than anyone — including Europeans.

    Indeed, American charitable giving exceeds the entire GDP of most European countries.

    According to the Almanac of American Philanthropy, Americans donate around seven times as much as continental Europeans to charitable causes per capita. Per person, even after adjusting for differences in household income, Americans donate twice as much of their income as the Dutch, three times as much as the French, five times as much as Germans, and ten times that of Italians.

    Only 14 percent of American donations come from foundation grants, and another 5 percent from corporations. More than 80 percent of charitable giving, however, is done by individuals. And this charity is found wide and deep within society. Every year, six out of ten households in the United States donate to a charitable cause, and the typical household gives somewhere around $2,000 to $3,000.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    An excellent article and argument of why Democrats need to be sent packing in 2022 and 2024.

    Don’t let Dems turn America into a European-style, cradle-to-grave welfare state

    More destructive than any specific policy item modern Democrats are pushing this year are the ideas they use to justify their agenda.

    The $3.5 trillion bill that President Joe Biden and Democrats are now attempting to cram through Congress via reconciliation is meant to create a European-style, cradle-to-grave welfare state here in the United States. Sen. Bernie Sanders, the bill’s Senate author, has, for years, praised systems across the Atlantic. As have many other Democrats.

    There are numerous specific arguments against the agenda that further expands an already onerous bureaucratic state, but it is the idea that traditional American life needs reimagining that should be rejected first. Because the most vociferous champions of the European-style governance are invariably the most passionate critics of the dynamism and glorious messiness of American life. The factors that propel our economic superiority — the unplanned and lightly regulated, individualistic and seemingly disordered free markets — chafe against the technocratic sensibilities of Democrats. For them, even American exceptionalism, the idea that the United States occupies a unique position in world history, is ugly and plainly wrong.


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    Here is the problem the left thinks they can have the European style socialism while having the "rich" pay for it all. They are either too stupid to realize that can't work or they realize it can't and are doing it just so they can have absolute control. I think overall the common leftist in America is a useful idiots for the few leftists who know this shit doesn't work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yakuda View Post
    Here is the problem the left thinks they can have the European style socialism while having the "rich" pay for it all. They are either too stupid to realize that can't work or they realize it can't and are doing it just so they can have absolute control. I think overall the common leftist in America is a useful idiots for the few leftists who know this shit doesn't work.
    No nation has ever spent it's way to prosperity.

    No nation has ever taxed it's way to prosperity.

    Venezuela is a perfect example of why.
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    I can't read any of Bullshit Blob's bullshit in that I sensibly have the idiot on ignore.

    However, I can contribute this much.

    The one way to make America civilized is to turn it into a European style cradle-to-grave welfare state.
    Failing that, America MUST be partitioned.
    Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Samuel Johnson, 1775
    Religion....is the opiate of the people. Karl Marx, 1848
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    I can't read any of Bullshit Blob's bullshit in that I sensibly have the idiot on ignore.
    Translation; the willful idiot wishes to remain blissfully stupid and uninformed.

    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    However, I can contribute this much.

    The one way to make America civilized is to turn it into a European style cradle-to-grave welfare state.
    Failing that, America MUST be partitioned.
    That's not a contribution. It's boorish dumb bullshit that only willful idiots like you spam this forum with.
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    No nation has ever spent it's way to prosperity.

    No nation has ever taxed it's way to prosperity.

    Venezuela is a perfect example of why.
    Make sure you refuse your Social Security and Medicare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    Make sure you refuse your Social Security and Medicare.
    Both are likely going to be bankrupt by the time he's eligible.

    Social Security Benefits Might Get Cut Early

    https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/social-security-benefits-might-cut-195513627.html

    BTW, workers pay into both with each paycheck - a foreign concept to you, I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Translation; the willful idiot wishes to remain blissfully stupid and uninformed. That's not a contribution. It's boorish dumb bullshit that only willful idiots like you spam this forum with.
    He's not wrong, though. His ilk must either be eradicated or allowed to secede if America's founding principles are to survive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Make sure you refuse your Social Security and Medicare.
    I paid for these you moron. ^Dipshit thinks those are entitlements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I paid for these you moron. Dipshit thinks those are entitlements.
    He doesn't think. He emotes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    He doesn't think. He emotes.
    True Like most regressive leftists.
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


    A lie doesn't become the truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good just because it is accepted by a majority.
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