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    Great story, guno!

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    A Day in the Life of Joe Republican
    Joe gets up at 6:00 am to prepare his morning coffee. He fills his pot full of good, clean drinking water because some liberal fought for minimum water quality standards. He takes his daily medication with his first swallow of coffee. His medications are safe to take because some liberal fought to insure their safety and efficacy. All but $10.00 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance. Now Joe gets it too. He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs this day. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry. Joe takes his morning shower, reaching for his shampoo; his bottle is properly labeled with every ingredient and the amount of its contents because some liberal fought for his right to know the amount and identity of the substances he was putting on his body.

    Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some tree hugging liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air. He walks to the subway station for his government subsidized ride to work; it saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees. You see, some liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor to society. Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe's employer upholds these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed hell get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some Liberal didn't think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

    It's noon time, Joe needs to make a Bank Deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the depression. Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal student loan because some stupid liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime.

    Joe is home from work, and he plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive to his dad's; his car is among the safest in the world be cause some wacko liberal (Ralph Nader!) fought for car safety standards. He arrives at his boyhood home. He was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmer's Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans. The house didn't have electricity until some big government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification. He is happy to see his dad who is now retired. His dad lives on Social Security and his union pension because some liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to.

    After his visit with dad he gets back in his car for the ride home. He turns on a radio talk show. The host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn't tell Joe that his beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefi that Joe enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees. "We don't need those big government liberals ruining our lives", he says. "After all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have".
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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    What were the goals of the revolution?

    To fee the American colonies from a totalitarian Monarchy
    To give Americans a whole slew of rights no other country on the planet at that time got
    To keep government out of American's lives to the maximum extent possible

    If it were Leftist, it'd have looked more like the French revolution. That is, once successful, a dictatorship would have taken over, large numbers of people executed, and a strong central government formed.
    You realize that it was leftists who opposed monarchy during the French revolution, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    I find it hilarious that for the Left their defense is to bring up Trump and try to make this all about him. The TDS never stops...
    I find it hilarious that you are trying to defend Trump. Your TDS never stops.

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    Hello Geeko Sportivo,

    Quote Originally Posted by Geeko Sportivo View Post
    The Republicans have never been the same since Nixon turned out to be a crook!

    It's as if they are still trying to blame the Democrats for his getting caught.

    This is also where they started accusing the Media of being biased and claiming to being victimized by them.

    AND SO THE PERSONAL ATTACKS ON JIMMY CARTER BEGAN. DAMNING HIM IF HE DID- AND DAMNING HIM IF HE DIDN'T- AND CLAIMING HE WAS THE WORST PRESIDENT EVER. Politics got meaner and nastier on their side of the aisle- and it just became a way of their party.

    It has become a political standard for them- YOU MUST HATE YOUR POLITICAL ADVERSARIES TO BE ON BOARD WITH THEM.
    And that was just about where Newt Gingrich entered politics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Geeko Sportivo View Post
    Lie- Cheat- Steal- KILL- anything to win.

    And so, may I introduce you to the result of all of their decades of pent up hatred for others- THEIR CHOSEN LEADER- THE SOUL OF THEIR PARTY- DONALD TRUMP!

    Donald Trump saw this huge ball of hate- and said to himself- I can exploit this hatred for my own financial benefit- I can totally corrupt all three branches of the government and abuse my Executive powers to keep myself out of jail! I could even kill someone on 5th avenue in broad daylight, and they would still worship me and kiss my ass!

    AND EVEN AFTER ALL OF THIS GOING ON FOR 4 LONG YEARS- THEY ALL VOTED FOR HIM AGAIN!

    Whoever said- "Hate Begets Hate"- knew exactly what they were talking about.
    Well, that's a big problem because there is so much reflexive hatred on the left as a result of the hatred and intransigence coming from the right.

    Quote Originally Posted by Geeko Sportivo View Post
    Hateful people want the most hateful people they can find to be their leaders!
    I'm glad the left is not that hateful yet. We need to stand for peace, love and understanding. The right has lost it's soul. If that happens to the left there will be nobody to save us from the right.

    Quote Originally Posted by Geeko Sportivo View Post
    Republicans- You earned it- YOU ARE NOW OFFICIALLY THE PARTY OF HATRED, CORRUPTION, and ANARCHY!




    White Nationalist marching in Charlottesville- Donald Trump referred to them as "Good People"!
    Got that right.
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    Hello T. A. Gardner,

    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Let's see...

    The Safe Drinking Water Act (SDWA) of 1974 was Republican and signed into law by Richard Nixon.
    The first food and drug law was passed in 1906 and signed into law by Teddy Roosevelt, a Republican

    Widespread use of medical insurance came about as a result of FDR's wage and price controls in WW 2 forcing employers to find "wages-in-kind" to entice a tight labor market to work for them. It was bad policy that created that situation.

    The Consumer Product Safety Act (CPSA) of 1972 was another Republican / Nixon thing...




    EPA? Nixon and Republicans
    Public transportation, mainly a Progressive / Leftist thing is a poor quality, inefficient, and unprofitable system of transportation that few use unless they have no choice. I guess "Joe" was forced into it by other bad Leftist policies.... It takes Joe three times longer to get to work than if he drove, and when he gets there he sees an article in the paper about Democrats wanting to raise his taxes to offset the major losses public transit is suffering...

    National Highway Safety Administration? 1970 Republicans and Nixon...

    Better look up the history of unions. Almost nothing Joe enjoys was because of them. That's why he isn't in one today...




    Um, that's the the FDIC created in 1932 by the Glass Steagall act in a bi-partisan vote by Congress. It isn't due to anything "liberal(s) wanted."
    That Joe took out a student loan is on him. If he can't repay it, that too is on him. But because universities saw a cash cow in student loans Joe's education costs were double what they otherwise would have been as the university milked him for everything they could using the student loan system.



    NHSA-- Nixon and Republicans, remember?
    Depends on where his dad's farm is as to whether it go put into that program... But since Progressive Leftists want to tax the snot out of inheritances, Joe isn't going to see anything out of it when his father passes. Instead the big government state will take the property and do whatever with the money, but nothing for Joe...



    This is because the Leftist writing the above has been fed a lifetime of bullshit and lies by other Leftists in the hopes that he'll believe that and bring about a Socialist-totalitarian state run by either Fascists or Communists...
    A little inheritance is a wonderful thing. A fine parting gift.

    A big inheritance is like a curse. It first deprives the recipient of the chance to prove himself or herself, prove that they can 'make it' in this world. It also causes the recipient to feel a sense of guilt that they didn't earn it, causing them to try to increase the size of the fortune. That is most easily done by simply investing in conservative mutuals, but idiots like Trump think they have to go out and rip others off to increase it, likely in his case because that's how it was created, through deception and fraud.

    We should tax large inheritances very aggressively, but not tax small inheritances at all. Large = millions +. Small = hundreds of thousands or less.
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    Hello T. A. Gardner,

    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Any country goes broke when the Left runs it. Look at the USSR. Russia had, and has incredible resources. Their schools sucked. The Nazis ran Germany into the ground. Chavez and Maduro took a thriving country and destroyed in less than 20 years. Castro took Cuba from the top economy to the second worst and kept it there. Only Haiti was worse.

    Even the French revolution. That gave the world Napoleon and several decades of unending war. The Left fucks everything they touch up.
    Nazis were left? The rest? Nothing but a bunch of cherry-picking to support prejudice. Would France have been better off with the monarchy? What was the average standard of living prior to the French Revolution? And how do these historical cherry-picked instances apply to modern USA? Sure, there are lessons to be learned from history but 'liberalism bad' is not a rational conclusion.
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    Hello Iolo/Penderyn,

    Quote Originally Posted by Iolo/Penderyn View Post
    A recent biography of George 111 demonstrates pretty conclusively that he was immensely more competent, decent and law-abiding than Trump. This indicates, I think, just what the US would be if the Right had been in control - it would have gone downhill all the way, at least until the French took over.
    It should totally be pointed out that if it were not for the French there would not BE a USA.
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    Hello T. A. Gardner,

    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    I find it hilarious that for the Left their defense is to bring up Trump and try to make this all about him. The TDS never stops...
    So if anyone criticizes Trump they have TDS?

    Didn't you say you are not a Trump supporter?

    Should there not be the freedom of speech to criticize a president or party leader?

    Is that not a legitimate thing to do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Nazis were left?
    Yes, very much so.

    The rest? Nothing but a bunch of cherry-picking to support prejudice. Would France have been better off with the monarchy? What was the average standard of living prior to the French Revolution?
    This is a false equivalence coupled with a non-sequitur. Whether France was better off still under a monarchy or not, the Left took over in the revolution and in most ways drove France into the ground. First, they sought all those they thought might oppose the revolution and murdered them (the Terror for example). They then turned on religion hoping to stomp it out entirely. At every turn, the heads of what government was in place sought to increase their totalitarian grip on the country.

    https://www.thoughtco.com/french-rev...793-94-1221883

    Things didn't get much better once the revolution was firmly now the new government. Defending the revolution took precedence to all else and society was turned to making weapons and raising an army for that purpose. This is in good part because much of the rest of Europe was against the revolution in France to begin with. What ensued was nearly two decades of warfare in what might be described as close to a world war (that's because fighting did occur in the Americas, Asia, and Africa along with Europe--Napoleon took Egypt for example).

    I don't think the average person's life in France was bettered by that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello T. A. Gardner,



    So if anyone criticizes Trump they have TDS?

    Didn't you say you are not a Trump supporter?

    Should there not be the freedom of speech to criticize a president or party leader?

    Is that not a legitimate thing to do?
    No, bringing up Trump in a discussion about the origins of the US and whether it would have been better off without the Right through all of its history is pretty much textbook TDS, especially when those bringing it up want to make it central to their argument.

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    Hello T. A. Gardner,

    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Yes, very much so.
    If Nazis are left, today's American Nazis didn't get the message. They all voted for Trump.



    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    This is a false equivalence coupled with a non-sequitur. Whether France was better off still under a monarchy or not, the Left took over in the revolution and in most ways drove France into the ground. First, they sought all those they thought might oppose the revolution and murdered them (the Terror for example). They then turned on religion hoping to stomp it out entirely. At every turn, the heads of what government was in place sought to increase their totalitarian grip on the country.

    https://www.thoughtco.com/french-rev...793-94-1221883

    Things didn't get much better once the revolution was firmly now the new government. Defending the revolution took precedence to all else and society was turned to making weapons and raising an army for that purpose. This is in good part because much of the rest of Europe was against the revolution in France to begin with. What ensued was nearly two decades of warfare in what might be described as close to a world war (that's because fighting did occur in the Americas, Asia, and Africa along with Europe--Napoleon took Egypt for example).

    I don't think the average person's life in France was bettered by that.
    The average French citizen has it better than the average American so I don't see how the outcome was so bad. The French have free health care, free child daycare, paid sick leave, paid time off for having a baby (both parents,) do not work as many hours per year as Americans, they have more paid vacation, guaranteed vacation and retirement, and they live longer than Americans. What is so bad about that?
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    Hello T. A. Gardner,

    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    No, bringing up Trump in a discussion about the origins of the US and whether it would have been better off without the Right through all of its history is pretty much textbook TDS, especially when those bringing it up want to make it central to their argument.
    It's not just about the origins. Trump is the leader of the right. It's not a derangement syndrome to talk about Trump when talking about how the right has affected our country. Good grief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello T. A. Gardner,

    It's not just about the origins. Trump is the leader of the right. It's not a derangement syndrome to talk about Trump when talking about how the right has affected our country. Good grief.
    The United States has existed for over 200 years. Trump was president for four of those. The country didn't collapse into ruin because of it. It is insane to argue that somehow Trump in just four years turned the country upside down. He didn't create an open civil war. He didn't wreck the economy. He didn't pack the courts adding new justices.
    Yes, he is a total asshole, but that doesn't mean he ruined everything.

    Biden? We have, for all intents, open borders and a president that is IGNORING immigration law. That's a violation of his oath of office. Driving the country into economic decline by a bad choice of foreign policy, energy policy, domestic policy, and increasing regulation. His handling of foreign affairs has China threatening us, N. Korea shooting missiles again, the British and French pissed at us, and most other nations thinking he's a joke of a president. Come on man! The French yanked their ambassador to the US for the first time in history!
    The economy is tanking. Inflation is rising. The employment rate is falling and the only reason the unemployment rate (U30) is going down slightly is people have stopped looking for work. We've become dependent on foreign oil again just as we had gained independence for the first time in more than 75 years. He's talking about court packing and removing the filibuster in the Senate to get his way because he doesn't have the votes in Congress to do it by persuasion of his goals.
    Biden's done more in 10 months to wreck the country than any President since LBJ, another one-term vice president.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinnabar View Post
    The very things that would enable it to thrive for all...health-wise, educationally, culturally, ecologically, etc. have been stymied and/or destroyed by the right. That is the sadness and shame of it all...the "what could have been." A decimated potential.
    well, I guess another continent with a british like government structure would ensure global dominance and decimate individual freedom for it's entirety
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Hello T. A. Gardner,

    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    The United States has existed for over 200 years. Trump was president for four of those. The country didn't collapse into ruin because of it. It is insane to argue that somehow Trump in just four years turned the country upside down. He didn't create an open civil war. He didn't wreck the economy. He didn't pack the courts adding new justices.
    Yes, he is a total asshole, but that doesn't mean he ruined everything.

    Biden? We have, for all intents, open borders and a president that is IGNORING immigration law. That's a violation of his oath of office. Driving the country into economic decline by a bad choice of foreign policy, energy policy, domestic policy, and increasing regulation. His handling of foreign affairs has China threatening us, N. Korea shooting missiles again, the British and French pissed at us, and most other nations thinking he's a joke of a president. Come on man! The French yanked their ambassador to the US for the first time in history!
    The economy is tanking. Inflation is rising. The employment rate is falling and the only reason the unemployment rate (U30) is going down slightly is people have stopped looking for work. We've become dependent on foreign oil again just as we had gained independence for the first time in more than 75 years. He's talking about court packing and removing the filibuster in the Senate to get his way because he doesn't have the votes in Congress to do it by persuasion of his goals.
    Biden's done more in 10 months to wreck the country than any President since LBJ, another one-term vice president.
    Oh good grief X2.

    We could only be further apart if you supported Trump.

    The right has completely misunderstood our priorities and been totally co-opted by big money. The only thing that separates us from third world levels of poverty are government assistance programs instituted by the left. If the right had not been kept in check by the left we would have shanty towns outside of every American city with humans living in squalor like rats.

    None of what you claim is so bad about President Biden is of his doing. And some of your claims are just flat out false altogether.

    It sounds like you've been listening to nothing but the farthest right wing slant. Your perception of our political situation could hardly be less accurate. Don't you realize how extremely slanted those right wing disinformation sources are?

    It's kind of funny the MAGA people want an America from a time when everyone got their news from the same three sources, but they only get their news from highly slanted sources. I would absolutely love it if we could return to a situation where everyone got the same news.

    The things you right wingers believe just simply are not true.
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