Guno צְבִי (10-23-2021)
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Guno צְבִי (10-23-2021)
PoliTalker (10-23-2021)
Hello Geeko Sportivo,
And that was just about where Newt Gingrich entered politics.
Well, that's a big problem because there is so much reflexive hatred on the left as a result of the hatred and intransigence coming from the right.
I'm glad the left is not that hateful yet. We need to stand for peace, love and understanding. The right has lost it's soul. If that happens to the left there will be nobody to save us from the right.
Got that right.
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Hello T. A. Gardner,
A little inheritance is a wonderful thing. A fine parting gift.
A big inheritance is like a curse. It first deprives the recipient of the chance to prove himself or herself, prove that they can 'make it' in this world. It also causes the recipient to feel a sense of guilt that they didn't earn it, causing them to try to increase the size of the fortune. That is most easily done by simply investing in conservative mutuals, but idiots like Trump think they have to go out and rip others off to increase it, likely in his case because that's how it was created, through deception and fraud.
We should tax large inheritances very aggressively, but not tax small inheritances at all. Large = millions +. Small = hundreds of thousands or less.
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Hello T. A. Gardner,
Nazis were left? The rest? Nothing but a bunch of cherry-picking to support prejudice. Would France have been better off with the monarchy? What was the average standard of living prior to the French Revolution? And how do these historical cherry-picked instances apply to modern USA? Sure, there are lessons to be learned from history but 'liberalism bad' is not a rational conclusion.
Last edited by PoliTalker; 10-23-2021 at 12:33 PM.
Personal Ignore Policy PIP: I like civil discourse. I will give you all the respect in the world if you respect me. Mouth off to me, or express overt racism, you will be PERMANENTLY Ignore Listed. Zero tolerance. No exceptions. I'll never read a word you write, even if quoted by another, nor respond to you, nor participate in your threads. ... Ignore the shallow. Cherish the thoughtful. Long Live Civil Discourse, Mutual Respect, and Good Debate! ps: Feel free to adopt my PIP. It works well.
Personal Ignore Policy PIP: I like civil discourse. I will give you all the respect in the world if you respect me. Mouth off to me, or express overt racism, you will be PERMANENTLY Ignore Listed. Zero tolerance. No exceptions. I'll never read a word you write, even if quoted by another, nor respond to you, nor participate in your threads. ... Ignore the shallow. Cherish the thoughtful. Long Live Civil Discourse, Mutual Respect, and Good Debate! ps: Feel free to adopt my PIP. It works well.
Iolo/Penderyn (10-25-2021)
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Yes, very much so.
This is a false equivalence coupled with a non-sequitur. Whether France was better off still under a monarchy or not, the Left took over in the revolution and in most ways drove France into the ground. First, they sought all those they thought might oppose the revolution and murdered them (the Terror for example). They then turned on religion hoping to stomp it out entirely. At every turn, the heads of what government was in place sought to increase their totalitarian grip on the country.The rest? Nothing but a bunch of cherry-picking to support prejudice. Would France have been better off with the monarchy? What was the average standard of living prior to the French Revolution?
https://www.thoughtco.com/french-rev...793-94-1221883
Things didn't get much better once the revolution was firmly now the new government. Defending the revolution took precedence to all else and society was turned to making weapons and raising an army for that purpose. This is in good part because much of the rest of Europe was against the revolution in France to begin with. What ensued was nearly two decades of warfare in what might be described as close to a world war (that's because fighting did occur in the Americas, Asia, and Africa along with Europe--Napoleon took Egypt for example).
I don't think the average person's life in France was bettered by that.
Truth Detector (10-24-2021)
Truth Detector (10-24-2021)
Hello T. A. Gardner,
If Nazis are left, today's American Nazis didn't get the message. They all voted for Trump.
The average French citizen has it better than the average American so I don't see how the outcome was so bad. The French have free health care, free child daycare, paid sick leave, paid time off for having a baby (both parents,) do not work as many hours per year as Americans, they have more paid vacation, guaranteed vacation and retirement, and they live longer than Americans. What is so bad about that?
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Iolo/Penderyn (10-25-2021)
Personal Ignore Policy PIP: I like civil discourse. I will give you all the respect in the world if you respect me. Mouth off to me, or express overt racism, you will be PERMANENTLY Ignore Listed. Zero tolerance. No exceptions. I'll never read a word you write, even if quoted by another, nor respond to you, nor participate in your threads. ... Ignore the shallow. Cherish the thoughtful. Long Live Civil Discourse, Mutual Respect, and Good Debate! ps: Feel free to adopt my PIP. It works well.
The United States has existed for over 200 years. Trump was president for four of those. The country didn't collapse into ruin because of it. It is insane to argue that somehow Trump in just four years turned the country upside down. He didn't create an open civil war. He didn't wreck the economy. He didn't pack the courts adding new justices.
Yes, he is a total asshole, but that doesn't mean he ruined everything.
Biden? We have, for all intents, open borders and a president that is IGNORING immigration law. That's a violation of his oath of office. Driving the country into economic decline by a bad choice of foreign policy, energy policy, domestic policy, and increasing regulation. His handling of foreign affairs has China threatening us, N. Korea shooting missiles again, the British and French pissed at us, and most other nations thinking he's a joke of a president. Come on man! The French yanked their ambassador to the US for the first time in history!
The economy is tanking. Inflation is rising. The employment rate is falling and the only reason the unemployment rate (U30) is going down slightly is people have stopped looking for work. We've become dependent on foreign oil again just as we had gained independence for the first time in more than 75 years. He's talking about court packing and removing the filibuster in the Senate to get his way because he doesn't have the votes in Congress to do it by persuasion of his goals.
Biden's done more in 10 months to wreck the country than any President since LBJ, another one-term vice president.
Truth Detector (10-24-2021)
A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.
Hello T. A. Gardner,
Oh good grief X2.
We could only be further apart if you supported Trump.
The right has completely misunderstood our priorities and been totally co-opted by big money. The only thing that separates us from third world levels of poverty are government assistance programs instituted by the left. If the right had not been kept in check by the left we would have shanty towns outside of every American city with humans living in squalor like rats.
None of what you claim is so bad about President Biden is of his doing. And some of your claims are just flat out false altogether.
It sounds like you've been listening to nothing but the farthest right wing slant. Your perception of our political situation could hardly be less accurate. Don't you realize how extremely slanted those right wing disinformation sources are?
It's kind of funny the MAGA people want an America from a time when everyone got their news from the same three sources, but they only get their news from highly slanted sources. I would absolutely love it if we could return to a situation where everyone got the same news.
The things you right wingers believe just simply are not true.
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