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    So now I see an older bigger thread on this.

    Sorry people, I try to not do this as multiple threads create clutter....the only exception is Fair Fight Club.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymoose View Post
    The gun. We need more gun control.
    How about whoever put a live round in the gun rather than a blank and start from there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primavera View Post
    How about whoever put a live round in the gun rather than a blank and start from there?
    I wonder if it was done on purpose.
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    What is sensical about limiting the means available for defense of self and country, when those with real criminal intent will ignore that law anyway, and where is the sense in surrendering the means of having last resort power over your government should it decide to ignore it's constitutional limits?

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    The USA is crumbling as the institutions that made it a thriving Democracy for all has been systematically killed off by the right wing. I blame the left for its complacency and enabling and its selling out to corporate interests as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    Baldwin the anti gun advocate apparently said over and over again immediately after he pulled the trigger "Why was I given a hot gun? (paraphrase?)".

    I get the sense that he has near zero gun safety knowledge even though he is so aggressively anti-gun.

    He has been seen crying at least once since then.
    We have been over this, multiple times. The regular gun safety rules do not apply on movie sets. They have a different set of rules. The rule that all guns are loaded cannot be applied to a movie set, or they would never be able to film a movie.

    What shocks me is they had multiple safety problems before, and did not stop to rethink. If a workplace has multiple failures with of a deadly tool, the first thing that should be done is shutdown and investigate what is going wrong. I certainly understand the urge to keep going, because shutdowns are difficult to afford, but there needs to be a point where safety comes first.

    The failure was with the armorer, but also with the producers, and directors. The alt right might be able to get Baldwin, but only as a producer... Even there is seems like a long shot, because I am guessing he was an executive producer, with little say on the day to day running of the movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    We have been over this, multiple times. The regular gun safety rules do not apply on movie sets. They have a different set of rules. The rule that all guns are loaded cannot be applied to a movie set, or they would never be able to film a movie.

    What shocks me is they had multiple safety problems before, and did not stop to rethink. If a workplace has multiple failures with of a deadly tool, the first thing that should be done is shutdown and investigate what is going wrong. I certainly understand the urge to keep going, because shutdowns are difficult to afford, but there needs to be a point where safety comes first.

    The failure was with the armorer, but also with the producers, and directors. The alt right might be able to get Baldwin, but only as a producer... Even there is seems like a long shot, because I am guessing he was an executive producer, with little say on the day to day running of the movie.
    I am waiting to see who runs and owns the production company that was built to make this movie only given the name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    Baldwin has about $60 million, a nice ripe target.

    Also this movie likely does not get made, there are lots of bills that somebody will need to pay.
    The insurance company has billions. And going after the insurance company does not require piercing limited liability.

    You are right about the movie not being made. It is over.

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    Interesting fact....it is tradition that the assistant director is ultimately in charge of weapons safety, not the director.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    The insurance company has billions. And going after the insurance company does not require piercing limited liability.

    You are right about the movie not being made. It is over.
    I have no information on who insured this movie, I only know that somebody did. It might not have been an insurance company, or even a company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    I wonder if it was done on purpose.
    Certainly possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primavera View Post
    Certainly possible.
    Someone is going to a prison for a long time. And it ain't Alec.
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    What is sensical about limiting the means available for defense of self and country, when those with real criminal intent will ignore that law anyway, and where is the sense in surrendering the means of having last resort power over your government should it decide to ignore it's constitutional limits?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primavera View Post
    Certainly possible.
    Somebody held Baldwin responsible for the abuse of the crew, and decided to end this movie and do massive likely damage to his career, resulting in one dead person?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Someone is going to a prison for a long time. And it ain't Alec.
    States tend to desperately want movies to be made in their states, and thus often dont demand accountability....they let hollywood production companies slide. I am not confident of criminal charges but there will certainly be lawsuits.
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    EXPLAINER: Guns on movie sets: How does that work?

    Cinematographer Halyna Hutchins died Thursday after Alec Baldwin fired a loaded weapon that was handed to him by an assistant director who indicated it was safe to use on the New Mexico set of “Rust.

    Cinematographer Halyna Hutchins died Thursday after Alec Baldwin fired a loaded weapon that was handed to him by an assistant director who mistakenly believed it was safe to use on the New Mexico set of “Rust.” Director Joel Souza was also hit and injured but has since been released from the hospital. While many things still aren't known — police are investigating — the AP looks at the use of firearms on film and television productions and the safety protocols in place.

    WHAT IS A “PROP FIREARM”?

    It’s a loose definition and could apply to anything from a rubber toy to a real firearm that can fire a projectile. However, if it's used for firing (even just blanks) it's considered a real gun. Chris Burbank, a former police chief in Salt Lake City who has consulted on several TV productions, said firearms for simulations during police trainings or film productions are often made so that they can only be loaded with blanks.

    WHAT ARE BLANKS AND CAN THEY KILL?

    A blank is a type of gun cartridge that contains gunpowder but no bullet. Still, it can serious hurt or kill someone who is close by, according to the Actors' Equity Association. Film firearms-safety coordinator Dave Brown wrote in a 2019 piece for American Cinematographer that, “Blanks expel gunpowder and hot gases out of the front of the barrel in a cone shape. This is harmless at longer ranges, but the explosion can seriously injure someone if it’s too close.”

    IN THIS INSTANCE, WERE BLANKS FIRED?

    The gun was loaded with live rounds, court records released Friday show. According to the records, the gun was one of three that the film’s armorer had set on a cart outside the wooden structure where a scene was being acted. Assistant director Dave Halls grabbed the gun from the cart and brought it inside to Baldwin, unaware that it was loaded with live rounds, a detective wrote in the search warrant application.

    WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WEAPONS ON SET?

    Generally, a weapons master or armorer oversees all weapons that are used on a production. This can mean anything from selecting the correct items for a certain period in history, to taking care of the weapons on set and making sure they are being used safely and properly by actors and stuntpeople. It's a fairly new position in the history of film production, going back only to the 1980s. Before that, the prop master handled everything. Recently, it’s become more common to enlist specialists.

    WHAT ARE THE RULES FOR FIREARMS ON SET?

    The weapons master is required to be on set whenever a weapon is being used. The Actors' Equity Association's guidelines state that, “Before each use, make sure the gun has been test-fired off stage and then ask to test fire it yourself. Watch the prop master check the cylinders and barrel to be sure no foreign object or dummy bullet has become lodged inside." Further, “All loading of firearms must be done by the property master, armorer or experienced persons working under their direct supervision.”

    HOW DOES ONE BECOME A WEAPONS MASTER?

    According to Backstage magazine, there’s no formal path but it is common to have internships and apprenticeships or a background in stunt work, the military, police or security. Weapons masters are required to abide by state and federal laws and hold proper operating permits.

    WHY WOULD THE GUN HAVE BEEN POINTING AT THE CINEMATOGRAPHER?

    We don’t know what happened on the set of “Rust,” but it is fairly common to have a gun pointed at the camera, and by extension the cinematographer, to get a certain angle.

    “We’ve all seen the very famous shots in films where you get that dramatic effect of a gun being pointed at you, the audience, and of course, it’s being pointed towards the camera,” explained Steven Hall, a veteran second unit director and cinematographer who has worked on films like “Fury” and “Thor: The Dark World.” “To minimize that, one would put a remote camera in that place, or at least if someone does have to operate the camera, I’m normally protected by safety goggles, a safety visor and often a PERSPEX screen that withstands pretty much anything. Obviously, it wouldn’t withstand a real shot from a gun, but it would certainly withstand a blank.”

    GIVEN THE MANY REGULATIONS, HOW COULD SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPEN?

    While the specific circumstances of the “Rust” shooting are still unknown, professionals in the business say that sometimes the crew and production are encouraged to “speed things up” for any number of reasons which can sometimes lead to “relaxed” safety protocols.

    DOES IT MAKE IT MORE COMPLICATED WHEN IT’S A PERIOD PIECE?

    “Rust” is set in the 1880s and according to Hall, when period weapons are used “you have to use actual historic period weapons and to check the safety of those weapons. I have known live rounds to be fired out of revolvers, certainly, to make sure that they do function in a way that when you put a blank in, it isn’t going to blow up or explode in the actor’s hands.”

    WHY DO PRODUCTIONS EVEN USE REAL GUNFIRE WHEN SPECIAL EFFECTS ARE AVAILABLE?

    It is becoming more common to add in gunfire in post-production when working on the visual effects. But visual effects can be expensive and it can be easier, and cheaper, to use props. Also, Dormer says that there can be advantages to using props and blanks, like getting an authentic reaction from an actor.

    HOW IS HOLLYWOOD RESPONDING?

    There has been an outpouring of dismay and anger from all levels of the industry that something like this could have happened. Director James Gunn tweeted that his greatest fear is that “someone will be fatally hurt on one of my sets.” Alex Winter tweeted that, “Crew should never be unsafe on set and when they are there is always a clearly definable reason why.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    I wonder if it was done on purpose.
    Notice in his message to the husband that there is absolutely no apology; no remorse; only that it was a tragic accident and he is shocked and saddened. What a self absorbed POS

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