moon (10-22-2021), PoliTalker (10-23-2021)
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It's a long article so I just posted the link. The gist is really focused on climate change and the (negative) effects our consumption habits have on the environment, thus the need for us to purchase and consume less.
Fair enough. My question is an economic one. We know how much spending drives our economy. And to a certain group politically the argument in support of higher taxes and transferring of money is the rich don't spend enough and thus giving it to people who will (lower income folks) stimulates more growth.
How can these two co-exist? One can argue we should consume less because its best for the planet and if we get slower economic growth as a result then so be it. But realistically its hard to win elections on that message (slower growth is good). The article references shopping sustainably but states that even that is still consumption.
Anyone here have a way they blend the two?
It’s time for Americans to buy less stuff
Thanks to the supply chain crisis, holiday shopping won’t be easy this year — even if you buy early.
https://www.vox.com/the-goods/227250...liday-shopping
moon (10-22-2021), PoliTalker (10-23-2021)
It's a pretty interesting contradiction, as you state.
I think the premise is correct, though. It's like we're in the infant stage of humanity, and will eventually mature & understand how to live in a way that is more conducive for the planet's health & long-term survival.
The answer likely lies in rethinking the economy entirely. An economy as reliant on consumer spending as ours is just isn't compatible with the future health of our environment.
moon (10-22-2021), PoliTalker (10-23-2021)
Callinectes (10-22-2021)
The Virus is just one kink in the Supply Chain! Stagnant wages is another.
Seeing all of those container ships backed up is a reminder of what a global economy we are part of- and how much we depend on it.
Should be a wake-up call for some- even if the kink is just a temporary problem.
You bring up an excellent point. There are tens, if not hundreds, of millions of people in those two countries who desire to move up into a more middle class lifestyle. And if they do so that would include middle class purchase/consumption habits which would have large effects on the climate. Can't see them reacting too positively to the rest of the world telling them if would be bad for all of us if they do (move up to a middle class life style).
anatta (10-22-2021), Callinectes (10-22-2021), cancel2 2022 (10-22-2021)
Discontinuing procreation seems like the best answer to every problem.
Let's give cockroaches an opportunity to run the planet for a while.
They're supposed to be pretty durable.
Maybe, given the opportunity, they'll be creative as well.
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PoliTalker (10-23-2021)
A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.
A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.
A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.
We still my need people for dress shoes, sunglasses, and the last of the internal combustion grand touring cars.
Not to mention olive oil. Otherwise we're buying it from Greeks or Spaniards anyway.
Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Samuel Johnson, 1775
Religion....is the opiate of the people. Karl Marx, 1848
Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose. Kris Kristofferson, 1969
A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.
A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.
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