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    Quote Originally Posted by RB 60 View Post
    A mileage tax on top of rising fuel costs will definitely put small delivery services in a world of hurt. Those who survive will surely pass the costs onto the consumer.
    I'd be glad to vote them out, but I only vote once.
    it would be smart to know what fuel taxes are relative to other states. PA is number 3 and Cali is highest and deliveries are still made. https://taxfoundation.org/state-gas-tax-rates-2021/
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    Quote Originally Posted by katzgar View Post
    it would be smart to know what fuel taxes are relative to other states. PA is number 3 and Cali is highest and deliveries are still made. https://taxfoundation.org/state-gas-tax-rates-2021/
    DUH! No shit we have the 3rd. highest fuel taxes in the country! I pay them every week. And costs to the consumer are rising right along with fuel prices. Put a mileage tax on that and see what happens to consumer prices and businesses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    How bad is your state’s infrastructure?

    https://infrastructurereportcard.org...nfrastructure/

    Looking at this report, every Congress critter should be on board for passing the infrastructure bill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RB 60 View Post
    They are doing a lot of road construction and repairs here in PA. They raised our gas tax .58c a gallon to pay for it. Now they want to assess a mileage tax. That's gonna put every delivery business out of business. Fucking democrats...
    I'll actually give Democrats respect here (raising the gas tax) for backing up their rhetoric. If you really believe climate change is an existential threat then higher gas prices is an important part of dealing with it. It forces more people out of their cars and forces dealers to build more fuel efficient cars.

    Of course the higher prices hurt the poor and working class but that's the trade off. And in some of the big urban areas they refuse to build more housing thus forcing people (usually those with less money) to live further away from their jobs and having to pay even more in the cost of gas for their longer commutes. So those on the lower end of the economic spectrum get fvcked but again, it's the trade off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Ugh. D+. We scored lower than bumfuck Missouri, which has a C-.
    It's because of the lakes and harsh winters. The freeze and thaw of groundwaters ruin asphalt and concrete pavings they can also affect bigger structures over time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    I'll actually give Democrats respect here (raising the gas tax) for backing up their rhetoric. If you really believe climate change is an existential threat then higher gas prices is an important part of dealing with it. It forces more people out of their cars and forces dealers to build more fuel efficient cars.

    Of course the higher prices hurt the poor and working class but that's the trade off. And in some of the big urban areas they refuse to build more housing thus forcing people (usually those with less money) to live further away from their jobs and having to pay even more in the cost of gas for their longer commutes. So those on the lower end of the economic spectrum get fvcked but again, it's the trade off.
    I don't think choking the average, especially the poor consumer with rising prices can have any benefit. When fuel prices rise, everything rises.
    When I started working at the food service co, there was no fuel surcharge. They added on, not on the truck as a whole, but to every customer.
    I'm not a tree hugger and I own a car that gets terrible gas mileage that I love to drive on nice days. High-test ain't cheap and neither are the additives.
    I can see your point, to an extent, but I think fuel taxes are too painful to the average consumer. Hell, they've gone up .50c a gal. since Biden took over.

    Yeah, I know it's forcing some out of the city. They are building a development above me and now I get all
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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    I'll actually give Democrats respect here (raising the gas tax) for backing up their rhetoric. If you really believe climate change is an existential threat then higher gas prices is an important part of dealing with it. It forces more people out of their cars and forces dealers to build more fuel efficient cars.

    Of course the higher prices hurt the poor and working class but that's the trade off. And in some of the big urban areas they refuse to build more housing thus forcing people (usually those with less money) to live further away from their jobs and having to pay even more in the cost of gas for their longer commutes. So those on the lower end of the economic spectrum get but again, it's the trade off.
    Same way with their “proposed study on a mileage tax” that will almost inevitably lead to them levying such a tax on citizens. It definitely would adversely affect the poor…and very specifically the rural poor. My dad isn’t poor. He is 90 and receives retirement from 2 different jobs, plus his SS. But I know others like him who are not as well taken care of as he is, financially. Dad drives 150 mile round trip to the doctor (VA hospital and clinic) for his various check ups a few times a month. He has one next Tuesday. Dad can afford a per mile tax. He would be mad about it and complain about having to pay it, but he could afford it with no hardship. His peers and several that are 20 years younger than him (you know, those young 70 year old kids) cannot. At least it would be a hardship on them.

    Point being, so often when proposals are made to tax consumer goods or services, the poor are the ones who get the short end of the stick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RB 60 View Post
    I don't think choking the average, especially the poor consumer with rising prices can have any benefit. When fuel prices rise, everything rises.
    When I started working at the food service co, there was no fuel surcharge. They added on, not on the truck as a whole, but to every customer.
    I'm not a tree hugger and I own a car that gets terrible gas mileage that I love to drive on nice days. High-test ain't cheap and neither are the additives.
    I can see your point, to an extent, but I think fuel taxes are too painful to the average consumer. Hell, they've gone up .50c a gal. since Biden took over.

    Yeah, I know it's forcing some out of the city. They are building a development above me and now I get all
    the water runoff in my yard. They cut down the woods next to me. I'm thinking on moving further into farm
    country, and I already live there now!
    Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favor of higher gas taxes nor do I think they are good economics. But if one claims climate change is an existential threat and should be our number one priority then raising the cost of gas would be consistent with wanting to deal with it (negative economic results be damned).

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    Quote Originally Posted by RB 60 View Post
    A mileage tax on top of rising fuel costs will definitely put small delivery services in a world of hurt. Those who survive will surely pass the costs onto the consumer.
    I'd be glad to vote them out, but I only vote once.
    I guess the goal would be to convince others and to get them to vote. It'll be the only way to get change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jade Dragon View Post
    It's because of the lakes and harsh winters. The freeze and thaw of groundwaters ruin asphalt and concrete pavings they can also affect bigger structures over time.
    What you say is absolutely correct but keep in mind in places like Louisiana and Texas the beating of the sun causes asphalt to buckle and break
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    How bad is your state’s infrastructure?

    https://infrastructurereportcard.org...nfrastructure/

    Looking at this report, every Congress critter should be on board for passing the infrastructure bill.
    I've seen much worse in Canada. So how is a State's infrastructure the business of Congress again? Oh, that's right, it's NOT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jade Dragon View Post
    It's because of the lakes and harsh winters. The freeze and thaw of groundwaters ruin asphalt and concrete pavings they can also affect bigger structures over time.
    Yep, Alaska has the same problem. Plus Michigan had a lot of industry that dumped untold amounts of toxins into lakes and streams and air that has to be mitigated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RB 60 View Post
    WTF does Mussolini have to do with anything?

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    My comment to you about the trains running on time is what Mussolini was said to have done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RB 60 View Post
    A mileage tax on top of rising fuel costs will definitely put small delivery services in a world of hurt. Those who survive will surely pass the costs onto the consumer.
    I'd be glad to vote them out, but I only vote once.
    Your state is a "red" one, is it not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    I think they all are.
    It's the OTHER bill that is having problems.
    I doubt many Republicans will vote for the infrastructure bill, but will take credit for it, after the fact, just like the stimulus package.
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