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Thread: Alec Baldwin Fired Prop Gun That Killed Halyna Hutchins, Injured Director

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Baldwin first. The person with the weapon in hand has ultimate responsibility for its safe use. The assistant director and prop people bear less blame, but are to a degree responsible too as they didn't check the weapon's status as it moved from one person to the next.
    A dad gives his teenager son a loaded gun thinking it's safe. It ends up with a dead person. Who's to be blamed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    What is sensical about limiting the means available for defense of self and country, when those with real criminal intent will ignore that law anyway, and where is the sense in surrendering the means of having last resort power over your government should it decide to ignore it's constitutional limits?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    You assume he had the expertise. He had people to do that. Blaming him is Bullshit.
    He shouldn't be relying on "people" to do that. Some things require personal responsibility. Handling a firearm is one of those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    He shouldn't be relying on "people" to do that. Some things require personal responsibility. Handling a firearm is one of those.
    He was handed what they told him was a gun with blanks and that it was safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    What is sensical about limiting the means available for defense of self and country, when those with real criminal intent will ignore that law anyway, and where is the sense in surrendering the means of having last resort power over your government should it decide to ignore it's constitutional limits?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    A dad gives his teenager son a loaded gun thinking it's safe. It ends up with a dead person. Who's to be blamed?
    Both. The teen should have known to check the firearm's condition and use it in a safe manner. The dad should have checked the firearm and known how to use it in a safe manner. The dad should also have ensured the son learned correctly how to do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    He was handed what they told him was a gun with blanks and that it was safe.
    Then "they" and Baldwin are idiots who don't know how to handle firearms safely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    He shouldn't be relying on "people" to do that. Some things require personal responsibility. Handling a firearm is one of those.
    On a movie set, the armorer takes personal responsibility. It is actually illegal in California for an actor to try to rearrange the gun, like you seem to want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    If you cannot understand a simple concept, nobody can help you. Try by raising your IQ by a few points.
    I better stop talking to you then. Fucking moron

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yakuda View Post
    I better stop talking to you then. Fucking moron
    I understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    What is sensical about limiting the means available for defense of self and country, when those with real criminal intent will ignore that law anyway, and where is the sense in surrendering the means of having last resort power over your government should it decide to ignore it's constitutional limits?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Someone who is a firearms prop guy would be very into firearms. Given that it happened in New Mexico, and we are talking about a gun enthusiast, it is more likely it was a right wing moron.
    Asshole Baldwin is a fucking dim wit. The lady he killed wasn't an actor. I'm sorry she dead but I am not sad he will have to live with her death in his hands. He's a fucking scum bag. Karma is a fucking bitch

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    I understand.
    I doubt it. It went right over that pointy head if yours

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    On a movie set, the armorer takes personal responsibility. It is actually illegal in California for an actor to try to rearrange the gun, like you seem to want.
    Then California is fucked up on gun laws like usual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Indie films by definition lack the full studio behind them. This often makes them more creative, but it also means that many of the professionals that would be on contract with the studios would be hired for a shorter time, and might not be as professional. When it comes to safety, this can be a disaster.

    There is a person who should be in charge of weapon props. He should have his eyes on the props at all times, and should be making sure that actors can do no damage with them. That person is in a lot of trouble right now. It is possible that Baldwin is also in trouble, but far less probable.

    Now for some conjecture, based on incomplete information:
    Hutchins and Souza as directors would have been behind the camera, with Hutchins(director of cinematographer) closer to the camera. It appears to be a scene where Baldwin cocks the gun and points it at the camera. It was a rehearsal, but would have been filmed to find out how it worked on camera. The gun was loaded with at least one bullet.

    Guns are extremely dangerous on film sets. That is why there is always a person in charge of making sure that a gun with live ammo is never pointed at anyone. That person is certainly not Baldwin. Baldwin, as an experienced actor, would have known that a gun with live ammo is never pointed at anyone, so would have been shocked that the gun had live ammo. Whoever failed to make absolutely sure the gun was not loaded is in a lot of trouble.

    In any other situation, I would be blaming the guy with the gun. The possessor of the gun has to always consider the gun as loaded, even when he absolutely knows the gun is not loaded. There are no exceptions... EXCEPT THE ONE EXCEPTION. Making movies often require guns to be pointed at people. That is why gun safety is so important on movie sets. They are literally breaking the cardinal rule of gun safety.

    Whatever your feelings about Baldwin are, it does not look like he did anything wrong. The known facts could change, but they probably won't. I would say the same if it were Baldwin, or his younger, less talented, conservative brother.
    I saw some veteran armorer give an interview where he said that even on set (in professional productions), no one ever points a gun directly at anyone. Even in a point blank situation, creative shooting and camera angling, he said, eliminate the need to point a gun at a person or animal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guille View Post
    There was no excuse for a bullet to even be on that set and you know it. Stop being a fucktard.
    Isn't that the point? The whole tragedy is suspicious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Many, if not most, prop guns are real guns. They shoot real bullets. Keep up with the conversation.
    there would be no need to distinguish prop guns were that true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    there would be no need to distinguish prop guns were that true.
    A prop gun is a gun used as a prop, much like a prop umbrella is an umbrella used as a prop. The major distinction is in its use and handling. With guns this can have a major legal difference. For instance, if you want a regular gun in Tokyo, it just is not going to happen. If you want a prop gun in Tokyo, it can be done with proper safety. Even though the prop gun happens to be a real gun, there are exceptions in the Japanese law that makes it possible.

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