Can they deny the 1st Amendment right for hate speech felons?

**AProudLefty** · 10-21-2021, 05:49 PM

I asked because apparently they can deny felons the 2nd Amendment right.

What provisions in the Constitution allow for that? Apparently the SCOTUS recognized them. So they can rule that felons can be denied the 1st Amendment right somewhat.

It's the same with voting.

I see nothing in the Constitution about felons.

**Flash** · 10-21-2021, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by AProudLefty

I asked because apparently they can deny felons the 2nd Amendment right.

What provisions in the Constitution allow for that? Apparently the SCOTUS recognized them. So they can rule that felons can be denied the 1st Amendment right somewhat.

It's the same with voting.

I see nothing in the Constitution about felons.

The 2nd allows for regulations on firearm ownership determined by legislation. All speech is not constitutionally protected, but those exceptions do not include being a felon. There is obviously more justification for limiting felons from possessing firearms than free speech.

Technically, there is no constitutional right to vote. The Constitution gives the states the power to determine voting qualifications.

**AProudLefty** · 10-21-2021, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by Flash

The 2nd allows for regulations on firearm ownership determined by legislation. All speech is not constitutionally protected, but those exceptions do not include being a felon. There is obviously more justification for limiting felons from possessing firearms than free speech.

Technically, there is no constitutional right to vote. The Constitution gives the states the power to determine voting qualifications.

What justifications? Explain. If there are justifications for denying the 2nd Amendment right, there are justifications for denying the 1st Amendment right as well.

**Hawkeye10** · 10-21-2021, 06:24 PM

The Constitution is dead, our owners (Carlin) now do what ever they want to do, anyone who complains gets a beating.

**AProudLefty** · 10-21-2021, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by Hawkeye10

The Constitution is dead, our owners (Carlin) now do what ever they want to do, anyone who complains gets a beating.

See even you can make sense.

**Flash** · 10-21-2021, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by AProudLefty

What justifications? Explain. If there are justifications for denying the 2nd Amendment right, there are justifications for denying the 1st Amendment right as well.

There are several exceptions. You can prosecute threats, for example. Free speech largely applies to topics about public issues.

**AProudLefty** · 10-21-2021, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by Flash

There are several exceptions. You can prosecute threats, for example. Free speech largely applies to topics about public issues.

There have been speeches that resulted in harm. Why are they not denied their right to free speech? They are free to continue their speeches on social media after they have served their time.

**AProudLefty** · 10-21-2021, 06:40 PM

For example, inciting to riot can be a felony. That's a 1st Amendment right. So why are they not denied that right after serving their times?

**Flash** · 10-21-2021, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by AProudLefty

There have been speeches that resulted in harm. Why are they not denied their right to free speech? They are free to continue their speeches on social media after they have served their time.

What harm?

Free speech protects against government restrictions. Social media is a private entity and they can restrict whoever they choose.

Hate speech is protected free speech and cannot be prohibited.

**AProudLefty** · 10-21-2021, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by Flash

What harm?

Free speech protects against government restrictions. Social media is a private entity and they can restrict whoever they choose.

Hate speech is protected free speech and cannot be prohibited.

Exactly. 2nd Amendment protects against government restrictions on owning and using guns.

So what are the justifications for restricting that right? I do not see them.

Tax evasion? No right to own guns to protect their families. Selling drugs? Same. Any of those felonies that do not involve any kind of weapons.

So what justifications are there?

**SmarterthanYou** · 10-21-2021, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by Flash

The 2nd allows for regulations on firearm ownership determined by legislation. All speech is not constitutionally protected, but those exceptions do not include being a felon. There is obviously more justification for limiting felons from possessing firearms than free speech.

what dictionary are you using that defines 'shall not be infringed' as 'reasonable regulations'????

**AProudLefty** · 10-21-2021, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou

what dictionary are you using that defines 'shall not be infringed' as 'reasonable regulations'????

Thank you.

I do not understand how the SCOTUS can justify this when the Constitution is clear.

**Flash** · 10-21-2021, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by AProudLefty

Exactly. 2nd Amendment protects against government restrictions on owning and using guns.

So what are the justifications for restricting that right? I do not see them.

Tax evasion? No right to own guns to protect their families. Selling drugs? Same. Any of those felonies that do not involve any kind of weapons.

So what justifications are there?

Nikolas Cruz plead guilty today to killing 17 people in a school shooting. I think we might be careful about him carrying around a gun. Not all states prohibit felons from owning guns.

Oregon allows a person who has been found guilty of a felony by reason of insanity to apply for a gun license

Of the states that do not require a person to have a permit or license to carry a handgun, we found three that allow felons to possess handguns after a certain amount of time has elapsed since their conviction or release from imprisonment and two that allow a person convicted of a felony to possess handguns if he has been pardoned.

Vermont does not have any statutory requirements governing acquisition or possession of handguns by anyone, including felons

https://www.cga.ct.gov/2002/rpt/2002-R-0335.htm

**AProudLefty** · 10-21-2021, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by Flash

Nikolas Cruz plead guilty today to killing 17 people in a school shooting. I think we might be careful about him carrying around a gun. Not all states prohibit felons from owning guns.

Oregon allows a person who has been found guilty of a felony by reason of insanity to apply for a gun license

Of the states that do not require a person to have a permit or license to carry a handgun, we found three that allow felons to possess handguns after a certain amount of time has elapsed since their conviction or release from imprisonment and two that allow a person convicted of a felony to possess handguns if he has been pardoned.

Vermont does not have any statutory requirements governing acquisition or possession of handguns by anyone, including felons

https://www.cga.ct.gov/2002/rpt/2002-R-0335.htm

He's in prison.

**Flash** · 10-21-2021, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou

what dictionary are you using that defines 'shall not be infringed' as 'reasonable regulations'????

Shall not be infringed applies to your right to keep and bear arms. If I have a revolver that is an arm I keep and bear. Shall not be infringed does not say any type of arms.

But, more seriously, I am going by state and federal laws that regulate firearms.

Just as the Constitution allows reasonable restrictions on free speech, free press, freedom of religion, freedom of assembly, protection against search and seizure...the same reasonable restrictions apply to firearms.