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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    You're weird. You cannot possibly think that is my position.
    You said the government could do anything it wanted unless specifically denied. These things are not denied so you must think Trump had the constitutional power to enact these orders.

    That was your position, not mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    You said the government could do anything it wanted unless specifically denied. These things are not denied so you must think Trump had the constitutional power to enact these orders.

    That was your position, not mine.
    I don't find this petty contentiousness interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    I don't find this petty contentiousness interesting.
    You are the one who said government could do anything unless prohibited. Are you changing your position? These were major issues during the Trump presidency--hardly petty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    You are the one who said government could do anything unless prohibited. Are you changing your position? These were major issues during the Trump presidency--hardly petty.
    Anything LEGAL. Seriously, you needed me to make that explicit?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Anything LEGAL. Seriously, you needed me to make that explicit?!
    What determines if it is legal?

    If Congress is not given the constitutional power to, for example, create a health care system, then it is not legal because they don't have authority to do it.

    This is a very different position than you stated earlier. If Congress can do whatever it wants unless prohibited it is determining what is legal when it passes a law. If it must have constitutional power to pass that law then the Constitution determines what is legal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    What determines if it is legal?

    [SIZE=3]If Congress is not given the constitutional power to, for example, create a health care system, then it is not legal because they don't have authority to do it.
    Absolutely false. No constitutional scholar would agree with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Absolutely.
    so every gun control law is unconstitutional, based upon 'shall not be infringed'.............right?
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    so every gun control law is unconstitutional, based upon 'shall not be infringed'.............right?
    Yes, if you belong to a well regulated militia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    My view is quite conventional and the standard understanding of the Constitution.
    if 99% of the population believed that the moon was made of blue cheese, does that make it reality?
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Yes, if you belong to a well regulated militia.
    what did the founders define a 'well regulated militia' as?????????
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    if 99% of the population believed that the moon was made of blue cheese, does that make it reality?
    I fail to see what that has to do with my comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    what did the founders define a 'well regulated militia' as?????????
    Since you do not know, go find out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Since you do not know, go find out.
    I do know. I asked you. can you answer that question or not?
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    I do know. I asked you. can you answer that question or not?
    You're not my 6th grade history teacher. Cut the crap, I don't have time for trolls like you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    I fail to see what that has to do with my comment.
    not surprised. most of you liberals tend to run away from obvious facts............you said that you view 'is quite conventional and the standard understanding of the Constitution', but does that mean because a majority of you believe something, makes it true?
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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