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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    The 2nd Amendment is totally irrelevant to modern times.
    The 2nd amendment is still in the Constitution today. It is relevant today. You cannot nullify any part of the Constitution simply due to age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    But it does guarantee a degree of freedom from those who would try to place too severe restrictions on ownership. Federal and state legislatures can make any updates to modern times.
    Unconstitutional.
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    Does free press limit the press to printing methods available only during colonial times?
    No.
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    Does search and seizure protect us from methods only available during colonial times and not protect us from modern electronic surveillance techniques?
    Irrelevant. Cameras do not search or seize anything.
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    If we are going to interpret the 2nd amendment based on its meaning in 1789 does that also apply to other rights?
    Rights do not come from the Constitution or any other piece of paper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Guns kill. Newspapers do not.
    Both can kill. Both have.
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    I do not believe the 2nd Amendment should be in the Constitution.
    Too bad. It's in the Constitution. You can try to start a movement to amend the Constitution, but I doubt you'll have much success.
    You hoplophobia is YOUR problem. You don't get to use it to nullify any part of the Constitution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Removing the 2nd does not change federal or state laws. Gun laws would remain essentially the same.

    Is the 2nd the only amendment you would interpret based on the 1787 meaning?
    Yes it does. The 2nd amendment applies to both federal and State governments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I gave you the legislation you dumb fuck. Run along.
    I know the legislation. Where does Congress get the constitutional power to pass legislation about immigration control? I know Congress has the legislative power, but they need constitutional authority. You shouldn't be calling anybody dumb when you don't know how government works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    I made my position clear. The Supreme Court wrongly believes its meaning is, "Anyone can own as many weapons of any kind they want. "
    No court has any authority over the Constitution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    where did you get that ridiculous notion?
    It is not a notion. The Declaration has never been used as the authority for any government action under our current Constitution. You are confusing your sources of authority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    No, you said "The Supreme Court wrongly believes its meaning is, "Anyone can own as many weapons of any kind they want. "


    There are many limitations that prevent people from owning as many weapons of any kind they want. If they Supreme Court had actually ruled that those laws would have been struck down.
    Such limitations are unconstitutional, whether the Supreme Court says so or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    I believe the 2nd Amendment is very bad law and should not be in the Constitution.
    It's in the Constitution. Deal with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    I really don't care.
    Because you discard the Constitution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    so we're going to be ok with a majority overriding the constitution because it makes them feel safer?
    They are not overriding the Constitution. States have that authority under the Constitution. The 2nd did not restrict state action until 2010.

    See McDonald v. Chicago. Justices Scalia and Alito agreed the 14th Amendment incorporated the 2nd to apply to the states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    where does 2nd Amend. state that?
    Try reading it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    I know the legislation. Where does Congress get the constitutional power to pass legislation about immigration control? I know Congress has the legislative power, but they need constitutional authority. You shouldn't be calling anybody dumb when you don't know how government works.
    Article I, $8. RQAA. Stop asking this question. I have answered it three times already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Try reading it.
    I read it, you fucking stupid asshole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    They are not overriding the Constitution.
    They are overriding the Constitution. Such laws are unconstitutional.
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    States have that authority under the Constitution.
    No, they do not.
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    The 2nd did not restrict state action until 2010.
    States NEVER had that authority since the 2nd amendment.
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    See McDonald v. Chicago. Justices Scalia and Alito agreed the 14th Amendment incorporated the 2nd to apply to the states.
    No court has authority over the Constitution. No court can change the Constitution.
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