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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    not surprised. most of you liberals tend to run away from obvious facts............you said that you view 'is quite conventional and the standard understanding of the Constitution', but does that mean because a majority of you believe something, makes it true?
    Refute my statement or shut up. Ok? You're just posting a lot of irrelevant rhetoric.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Absolutely false. No constitutional scholar would agree with you.
    No scholar would agree with you. Healthcare was just an example. But if Congress does not have constitutional authority they cannot pass a law. Constitutional authority is what make it legal--you clearly said it must be legal.

    James Madison, father of the Constitution said:

    "The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government, are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite."

    Madison vetoed a bill in 1817 to build roads and canals because the Constitution has no authority.

    We have obviously interpreted the powers of the Constitution much broader today to give the government more power, but that power must still be based on constitutional provisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    No scholar would agree with you.
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    Every scholar agrees with me. It is stated in the Constitution. It is not a list of laws the US can enact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Refute my statement or shut up. Ok? You're just posting a lot of irrelevant rhetoric.
    every framer and commenter of the 2nd Amendment clearly stated that the 'militia' was purely civilian...........not 'well regulated' as in government controlled. now, you asked me to provide a refutation, there you go. perhaps you could actually show the assertion of your statement
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    every framer and commenter of the 2nd Amendment clearly stated that the 'militia' was purely civilian...........not 'well regulated' as in government controlled. now, you asked me to provide a refutation, there you go. perhaps you could actually show the assertion of your statement
    Who regulates it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Every scholar agrees with me. It is stated in the Constitution. It is not a list of laws the US can enact.
    WHAT is stated in the constitution?
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    WHAT is stated in the constitution?
    That the document lists laws and only those laws are allowed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Who regulates it?
    each individual, because when it was written and ratified, 'well regulated' meant well trained and working.............

    it would be the absolute height of stupidity to believe that the framers would condition the right to keep and bear arms only if they were regulated by the government, after they had just won independence from a government that tried to regulate their arms out of their control
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    That the document lists laws and only those laws are allowed.
    then you are wrong. that document lists a few prescribed powers, that were surrendered by the states, and that the government was LIMITED in how they could exercise those powers.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    each individual, because when it was written and ratified, 'well regulated' meant well trained and working.............

    it would be the absolute height of stupidity to believe that the framers would condition the right to keep and bear arms only if they were regulated by the government, after they had just won independence from a government that tried to regulate their arms out of their control
    Then the phrase is meaningless. Why not say, "Guns for everyone and no limit."

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    then you are wrong. that document lists a few prescribed powers, that were surrendered by the states, and that the government was LIMITED in how they could exercise those powers.
    Const. gives the structure of government. After that, we can do what we want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Then the phrase is meaningless. Why not say, "Guns for everyone and no limit."
    you cannot define terms in teh constitution to todays times.................it defeats the intent of the constitution.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    then you are wrong. that document lists a few prescribed powers, that were surrendered by the states, and that the government was LIMITED in how they could exercise those powers.
    you did not disagree with what I said

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Const. gives the structure of government. After that, we can do what we want.
    only within the limitations prescribed by those articles..........or did you conveniently ignore that part?
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    you did not disagree with what I said
    sure I did. you believe that the government is without limitations, I disagree
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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