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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    People in regulated militias should be allowed to have arms, by the technology of the 18 C. Seems obvious what it means.
    Even if true, that does not mean people are limited to those weapons. The Constitution limits what government can do, it does not dictate it. Congress and the state legislatures determine what gun regulations they want.

    Nothing prevents them from allowing fully automatic weapons or grenades. Until 2010 states could prohibit firearm ownership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Even if true, that does not mean people are limited to those weapons. The Constitution limits what government can do, it does not dictate it. Congress and the state legislatures determine what gun regulations they want.

    Nothing prevents them from allowing fully automatic weapons or grenades. Until 2010 states could prohibit firearm ownership.
    The 2nd Amendment is totally irrelevant to modern times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    The 2nd Amendment is totally irrelevant to modern times.
    But it does guarantee a degree of freedom from those who would try to place too severe restrictions on ownership. Federal and state legislatures can make any updates to modern times.

    Does free press limit the press to printing methods available only during colonial times?

    Does search and seizure protect us from methods only available during colonial times and not protect us from modern electronic surveillance techniques?

    If we are gong to interpret the 2nd amendment based on its meaning in 1789 does that also apply to other rights?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    But it does guarantee a degree of freedom from those who would try to place too severe restrictions on ownership. Federal and state legislatures can make any updates to modern times.

    Does free press limit the press to printing methods available only during colonial times?

    Does search and seizure protect us from methods only available during colonial times and not protect us from modern electronic surveillance techniques?

    If we are gong to interpret the 2nd amendment based on its meaning in 1789 does that also apply to other rights?
    Guns kill. Newspapers do not.

    I do not believe the 2nd Amendment should be in the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Guns kill. Newspapers do not.

    I do not believe the 2nd Amendment should be in the Constitution.
    Removing the 2nd does not change federal or state laws. Gun laws would remain essentially the same.

    Is the 2nd the only amendment you would interpret based on the 1787 meaning?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Removing the 2nd does not change federal or state laws. Gun laws would remain essentially the same.

    Is the 2nd the only amendment you would interpret based on the 1787 meaning?
    I made my position clear. The Supreme Court wrongly believes its meaning is, "Anyone can own as many weapons of any kind they want. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    I made my position clear. The Supreme Court wrongly believes its meaning is, "Anyone can own as many weapons of any kind they want. "
    No, the Supreme Court never ruled that. It simply said it is a personal right and not limited to militia membership (which essentially does not exist). It acknowledged the right to regulate firearms.

    "nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    No, the Supreme Court never ruled that. It simply said it is a personal right and not limited to militia membership "
    That's what I said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    That's what I said.
    No, you said "The Supreme Court wrongly believes its meaning is, "Anyone can own as many weapons of any kind they want. "


    There are many limitations that prevent people from owning as many weapons of any kind they want. If they Supreme Court had actually ruled that those laws would have been struck down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    No, you said "The Supreme Court wrongly believes its meaning is, "Anyone can own as many weapons of any kind they want. "


    There are many limitations that prevent people from owning as many weapons of any kind they want. If they Supreme Court had actually ruled that those laws would have been struck down.

    I believe the 2nd Amendment is very bad law and should not be in the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    I believe the 2nd Amendment is very bad law and should not be in the Constitution.
    Start a campaign to repeal the 2nd. The 27th passed largely because of the efforts of one college student after writing a paper on the topic. The University of Texas recently changed his grade from C to A.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Start a campaign to repeal the 2nd. The 27th passed largely because of the efforts of one college student after writing a paper on the topic. The University of Texas recently changed his grade from C to A.
    I really don't care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    In other words, you have no clue where the Constitution gives the government the power to control immigration. Just cite the provision.

    I gave you the legislation you dumb fuck. Run along.
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    The 2nd Amendment is totally irrelevant to modern times.
    A moronic statement and more evidence of how badly our leftist educational establishment is failing our citizens.
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Guns kill. Newspapers do not.

    I do not believe the 2nd Amendment should be in the Constitution.
    More stupidity; guns don't kill. It tales a person dumbass.
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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