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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    That was under Great Britain and was a justification of declaring independence. It has never been used as a source of authority for any legal action by the U. S. It is a statement of philosophy.

    Maybe you can cite the court cases or actions based on the "legal authority" of the Declaration.
    it comes within the framework of the Constitution. we the people created a government with few and limited prescribed powers, based upon what we the people decided independence grants us. it's all about context. you act as if the framers fought a war for freedom and then created our jailers with the constitution.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    I was just citing the opinions of Thomas, Alito, and Scalia. I guess they are morons.
    Irrelevant. Your opinion on who are morons or not has nothing to do with this conversation. Bulverism fallacy.
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    The Supreme Court establishes the law that governs us.
    WRONG. The Supreme Court has no authority to write any law or change the Constitution.
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    If you believe in the rule of law you follow their decisions whether you agree or not.
    WRONG. The Supreme Court is not an oligarchy.
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    Obviously, my information on this issue is not nearly as low as yours.
    It's lower...much lower.
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    You deny over 200 years of constitutional history
    The Constitution is not history. The Constitution is a document that exists today.
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    because you don't like the opinions.
    No court has authority to change or interpret any constitution. Only the owners of a constitution have that authority.
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    Constitution worship is no less stupid than religion.
    Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Samuel Johnson, 1775
    Religion....is the opiate of the people. Karl Marx, 1848
    Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose. Kris Kristofferson, 1969

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    You're one of those low information morons who believes that the constitution was written on Mount Sinai.
    Irrelevant. It does not matter where it was written.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    I was just citing the opinions of Thomas, Alito, and Scalia. I guess they are morons.
    for the most part, yes. don't ever forget that they are part of the government entity we the people sought to restrict

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    The Supreme Court establishes the law that governs us. If you believe in the rule of law you follow their decisions whether you agree or not.
    CONGRESS establishes the law that governs us. SCOTUS decides if that law comports within the framework of the established powers of congress.
    If SCOTUS decides that abortion is murder, are you going to agree with them?

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    Obviously, my information on this issue is not nearly as low as yours. You deny over 200 years of constitutional history because you don't like the opinions.
    history throughout the world shows that government always attempts to impede upon liberty. the founders had first hand experience with this. why do you discount them?
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
    Read that again...and again...and again...until you find the word 'right of the people' in it.

    I have already discussed the two related rights laid out in the 2nd amendment. I have also already discussed how rights do not come from a constitution or any other piece of paper. Argument of the stone fallacy. Argument by repetition fallacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    You're one of those low information morons who believes that the constitution was written on Mount Sinai.
    Since i'm not a religious christian, I wouldn't know what you're talking about, however, the framers wrote that Constitution with first hand experience of how government and standing armies impede and trample liberty. that is why it is paramount and MUST be read with a bias towards liberty
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    This message is hidden because Into the Night is on your ignore list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Read that again...and again...and again...until you find the word 'right of the people' in it.
    you're stupid and a waste of time

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
    the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed

    that's clear as day
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    you go find out dummy
    so you wish to ignore the intent of the founders. big shock
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Time for STY to join ITN.
    Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Samuel Johnson, 1775
    Religion....is the opiate of the people. Karl Marx, 1848
    Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose. Kris Kristofferson, 1969

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed

    that's clear as day
    If they belong to a militia

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    Constitution worship is no less stupid than religion.
    why is it stupid to worship FREEDOM????
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    so you wish to ignore the intent of the founders. big shock
    No, stop lying.

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