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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    what is 'universal healthcare'?????
    It's the opposite of local healthcare.
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    What is sensical about limiting the means available for defense of self and country, when those with real criminal intent will ignore that law anyway, and where is the sense in surrendering the means of having last resort power over your government should it decide to ignore it's constitutional limits?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    It's the opposite of local healthcare.
    when is the first hospital on mars being built?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    when is the first hospital on mars being built?
    Ask Elon. Or China. Whoever gets there first.
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    What is sensical about limiting the means available for defense of self and country, when those with real criminal intent will ignore that law anyway, and where is the sense in surrendering the means of having last resort power over your government should it decide to ignore it's constitutional limits?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    About 29,629,657. Yes, the entire population of Canada is less than or equal to the population of California.
    well most of it is above the artic circle so thats not too surprising.
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    Of the industrial nations, America is the only one that does not have universal health care. We are no 12 in the world health care ratings. Our system costs double and gives worse results. Universal healthcare will allow people to get health monitoring. Millions of Americans have no healthcare at all. This system enriches hospitals and bureaucrats. Hospitals use the same economic policies that businesses do. They want barely enough beds and doctors to keep up. That maximizes profits. So when we get a pandemic, we cannot handle it. Not enough medical staff and beds.
    There is little to recommend our system.
    When Taiwan was going to institute healthcare, they visited the US. They said they wanted to see what not to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    The budget speaks for itself, dude. You are denying the numbers right there on the books.
    We pay double and get far less. Those are the numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    About 29,629,657. Yes, the entire population of Canada is less than or equal to the population of California.
    Both are oligarchies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    It's the opposite of local healthcare.
    Very well put!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    well most of it is above the artic circle so thats not too surprising.
    Most of Canada is outside the Arctic Circle, which is currently at 66.34 deg N.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Of the industrial nations, America is the only one that does not have universal health care.
    And we have the best healthcare in the world.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    We are no 12 in the world health care ratings.
    No. We have the best healthcare in the world. People come from all over the world to use it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Our system costs double and gives worse results.
    Double of what? Void argument fallacy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Universal healthcare will allow people to get health monitoring.
    No. Makes no difference.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Millions of Americans have no healthcare at all.
    All Americans have access to healthcare.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    This system enriches hospitals and bureaucrats.
    It does not pay bureaucrats. Hospitals are not even required for most treatments and services.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Hospitals use the same economic policies that businesses do.
    Not quite. Hospitals are funded through government.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    They want barely enough beds and doctors to keep up.
    And this is the result.
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    That maximizes profits
    What is wrong with profit? It's the lifeblood of any business.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    So when we get a pandemic, we cannot handle it.
    Fake News.
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    Not enough medical staff and beds.
    Fake News.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    There is little to recommend our system.
    There is plenty. Most of the new treatments, procedures, and equipment were developed in the United States.
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    When Taiwan was going to institute healthcare, they visited the US. They said they wanted to see what not to do.
    Fake News.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    We pay double and get far less. Those are the numbers.
    Random numbers don't mean anything. Stop making up numbers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    The budget speaks for itself, dude. You are denying the numbers right there on the books.
    Do you make up your numbers? https://www.businessinsider.com/pers...-ranked-2019-3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Most of Canada is outside the Arctic Circle, which is currently at 66.34 deg N.
    The rest of it is close enough to count. Who would want to take off to the Great White North ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Canadian 'universal' healthcare is notoriously horrible and expensive (not paid by income taxes).
    The Canadian and American Governments both spend the same amount per capita on healthcare. The Canadian Government covers everyone with that, and the American Government covers some Americans most of the way. In other words, the American system is literally several times more expensive.

    The Canadian system just has better outcomes. There is no way around that.

    I would say it is because of some massive cultural difference, but Canada has the closest culture to ours of any nation. It is a failure in our system. I do not think we need a Canadian style system, but we need a system where we pay for our healthcare, rather than trying to figure out a way to skip on the bill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Your problem. You are quoting made up numbers. Inversion fallacy.
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