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    Smile Democrats Back Down on Assault Weapons Ban!

    http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/...009-02-26.html


    Pelosi throws cold water on weapons ban
    Posted: 02/26/09 11:59 AM [ET]

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi tossed cold water on the prospect of reinstating the assault weapons ban, highlighting Democrats’ reluctance to take on gun issues.

    Attorney General Eric Holder raised the prospect Wednesday that the administration would push to bring back the ban. But Pelosi (D-Calif.) indicated on Thursday that he never talked to her. The Speaker gave a flat “no” when asked if she had talked to administration officials about the ban.

    “On that score, I think we need to enforce the laws we have right now,” Pelosi said at her weekly news conference. “I think it's clear the Bush administration didn’t do that.”

    Outside of the dig at the recent Republican president, that phrase is the stock line of those who don’t want to pass new gun control laws, such as the National Rifle Association.

    The White House declined to comment on Holder's remarks, referring reporters to the Department of Justice. The DoJ did not respond to The Hill's request for comment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Epicurus View Post
    http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/...009-02-26.html


    Pelosi throws cold water on weapons ban
    Posted: 02/26/09 11:59 AM [ET]

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi tossed cold water on the prospect of reinstating the assault weapons ban, highlighting Democrats’ reluctance to take on gun issues.

    Attorney General Eric Holder raised the prospect Wednesday that the administration would push to bring back the ban. But Pelosi (D-Calif.) indicated on Thursday that he never talked to her. The Speaker gave a flat “no” when asked if she had talked to administration officials about the ban.

    “On that score, I think we need to enforce the laws we have right now,” Pelosi said at her weekly news conference. “I think it's clear the Bush administration didn’t do that.”

    Outside of the dig at the recent Republican president, that phrase is the stock line of those who don’t want to pass new gun control laws, such as the National Rifle Association.

    The White House declined to comment on Holder's remarks, referring reporters to the Department of Justice. The DoJ did not respond to The Hill's request for comment.


    Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that they have no interest in it rather than that they backed down?

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    Whether they backed down or simply lacked interest, this is good news for America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dungheap View Post
    Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that they have no interest in it rather than that they backed down?
    If one wants to argue semantics couldn't an argument be made that Pelosi would have an interest if the politics of it were in her favor? All things being equal this would be a law she would like to see passed. The politics, or votes, are not on her side therefore she doesn't want to risk fighting for a losing cause. So I don't think its a matter of not having interest its a matter of not having votes. Thus it could be argued she's backing down from a losing fight. But this type of happening is an everyday occurance in politics. I would think the only people offended by a 'backing down' spin are the two party's P.R. people.

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    Yippee.

    What exciting news.

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    "Do not think that I came to bring peace... I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." - Matthew 10:34

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tabasco View Post
    Whether they backed down or simply lacked interest, this is good news for America.
    YAYZ! MORE DEAD CHILDREN~!

    Conservatism FTW!
    "Do not think that I came to bring peace... I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." - Matthew 10:34

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    If one wants to argue semantics couldn't an argument be made that Pelosi would have an interest if the politics of it were in her favor? All things being equal this would be a law she would like to see passed. The politics, or votes, are not on her side therefore she doesn't want to risk fighting for a losing cause. So I don't think its a matter of not having interest its a matter of not having votes. Thus it could be argued she's backing down from a losing fight. But this type of happening is an everyday occurance in politics. I would think the only people offended by a 'backing down' spin are the two party's P.R. people.

    I'm not arguing semantics. It doesn't matter to me either way. It just seems odd to say that the Democrats backed down on the assault weapons ban when they never stepped up to try to pass it. I'm not offended by it. It just struck me as an odd way to put it.

    As for the rest of that stuff, when you have to game out a scenario with that many assumptions you are most likely full of shit. Or an economist. Or both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dungheap View Post
    I'm not arguing semantics. It doesn't matter to me either way. It just seems odd to say that the Democrats backed down on the assault weapons ban when they never stepped up to try to pass it. I'm not offended by it. It just struck me as an odd way to put it.

    As for the rest of that stuff, when you have to game out a scenario with that many assumptions you are most likely full of shit. Or an economist. Or both.
    Fair enough though I believe my assumptions were not just throwing darts at a blank page. Pelosi and other Dems have made quite clear their positions on guns and specifically the assult rifle ban. Being that is she is my rep maybe I read about it more than you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watermark View Post
    YAYZ! MORE DEAD CHILDREN~!

    Conservatism FTW!
    freedom and liberty FTW!!!!!
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dungheap View Post
    I'm not arguing semantics. It doesn't matter to me either way. It just seems odd to say that the Democrats backed down on the assault weapons ban when they never stepped up to try to pass it. I'm not offended by it. It just struck me as an odd way to put it.

    As for the rest of that stuff, when you have to game out a scenario with that many assumptions you are most likely full of shit. Or an economist. Or both.
    If you want to talk about assumptions look at the first sentence in the article "highlighting Democrats reluctance to take on gun issues". Who's to say the Democrats are reluctant? Did Pelosi or any other leading Democrat publically state the Dems are reluctant to take on gun issues? The author is throwing in his opinion there and kind of takes away his credibility from reporting on the facts. It kind of puts the remainder of the article in question to.

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    What about HR 45?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    What about HR 45?

    What about it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dungheap View Post
    What about it?
    written and submitted by a democrat, from illinois no less, obamas home state.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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