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    Quote Originally Posted by ZappasGuitar View Post
    You DO!

    Even if wait times are a bit longer, when you get out of the hospital you don't have to DECLARE BANKRUPTCY.
    Piss poor planning on your part does not create a crisis on my part. People should plan ahead for their future not wait until fate runs them over.

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    Nobody seems to be asking what reason Medicare was discontinued for this guy, why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Piss poor planning on your part does not create a crisis on my part. People should plan ahead for their future not wait until fate runs them over.
    Hmm, the guy was on Medicare and they withdrew coverage for his treatment.

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    In a socialized society he would have never gotten in the hospital to begin with, need emergency surgery, forget it. Many people from the north come to the US when they need surgery sooner rather than later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    I have Canadians in the family. When we get together I ask them if they would prefer our system. They laugh in my face.
    Universal healthcare is far better for the people. It allows you to switch jobs without coverage lapses. It allows you to start a business without having to pay bigly for health insurance. It allows people to get health maintenance.
    Out system has long waits. Call a specialist and see how long you wait When I call my doc, I get an appointment in about 3 weeks. I have a Canadian friend who got a heart transplant about 10 years ago. He paid nothing.
    Canada has a larger land mass than the US. Canada has natural resources out the wahzoo. Canada taxes the hell out of it’s citizens because it has to. There’s only 38 million of them. That’s all the Canadians there are.

    In comparison, California alone has a population of 37 million. I’ve watched Canadians shop for clothes at walmart in northern Michigan, walk out to their cars and put on every article of clothing they had just purchased so they wouldn’t be charged a duty on it when they crossed the border.

    I’ve always been pretty sure of two things about government provided health care: if you want to experience AMERICAN “free” health care, do a hitch in the military(to make a long story short, I almost lost a leg because of a CAREER military doctor who sent me back to work without even a light duty waiver after a motorcycle accident put me in a cast for 8 weeks).

    The other thing is, if you live in a relatively wealthy country with a tiny population, “universal” healthcare might very well work for you…so when are you moving?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primavera View Post
    Hmm, the guy was on Medicare and they withdrew coverage for his treatment.
    Just a paperwork mix up, I sure...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZappasGuitar View Post
    The "BEST" in the World?


    Sick and Elderly Black Man Discharged from Hospital Found on Sidewalk Because Medicare Stopped Paying for Care


    An unidentified elderly Black man was found on a sidewalk in Conyers, Georgia, a suburb of Atlanta, with medical tubes still attached after being discharged from a hospital nearby because Medicare would not continue coverage for his treatment.

    The 68-year-old man was discovered collapsed near the Piedmont Rockdale Hospital on Thursday, Oct. 14. According to a 911 caller, he appeared unresponsive and in need of medical assistance.

    “Poor guy. But he probably needs an ambulance and not…” the 911 caller said, according to WSB-TV. “It’s right in front of the Piedmont Rockdale Emergency entrance.”

    Conyers Police Deputy Chief Scott Freeman told reporters that, according to a hospital employee, the man was in the hospital’s care for 35 days for unidentified treatment and was cleared as “fit to leave” by two doctors when the hospital was notified that Medicare would not continue paying for his care.

    He was dressed by security, who then escorted him off the premises.

    When medical responders arrived to treat the man after the 911 call, he was found to have “sepsis, a high heart rate, fever, a urinary tract infection, and a possible bladder infection.”

    “Common sense dictates that you do not treat human beings the way that we’re seeing in this particular case,” said Freeman, who plans on filing a report on the incident with the Georgia Department of Community Affairs.

    “This man is laying out on the sidewalk unresponsive, and this is how they brought him out,” he stated. “They escorted him off the property and just left him on the sidewalk. This is inhumane; this is not who we are as a city, as a county, or even as a country. Or at least it shouldn’t be.”

    At the time of this writing, Medicare had not prepared a statement.

    Piedmont Healthcare addressed the incident, insinuating that the patient did not want continued services, saying that while they “do their best to connect patients in need” with “appropriate after-hospital care,” whether or not the services are accepted is “at the discretion of the patient.”

    “At Piedmont, our purpose is to make a positive difference in every life we touch. We can only provide the best care with the cooperation and consent of the patient. We do our best to connect patients in need with community partners and social service organizations to provide appropriate after-hospital care, but ultimately accepting these services is at the discretion of the patient.”

    No further updates have been given on the patient’s condition, however, he was taken back to the emergency room the same day he was released.

    https://www.yahoo.com/now/inhumane-s...150000711.html
    Government healthcare, aint it great

    Government Healthcare in America - What a JOKE!


    Fixed your headline for you...you stupid fucking bastard!
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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Yea, yea... Like you get treated better by socialized medicine...


    https://www.theguardian.com/society/...hiest-citizens


    https://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...-a6721401.html

    And it isn't just the UK most socialized medical systems offer long waits, poor service, and indifferent outcomes. Those working in those systems have zero incentive to do a better job. Mediocrity is the norm. Administrators want to keep costs down so they cut corners on the budget. Staff are overworked so they grow indifferent to patients. Regulations and rules abound meaning if you don't fit the pattern for some healthcare need, you are screwed.

    The US system has its problems, some serious, but that doesn't mean it's significantly worse than universal socialized healthcare systems that have serious problems too.
    Ok! Ok! OK! Why the grandstanding?

    Why couldn't you just say your last sentence- Because that is the truth!

    The truth is a National Healthcare System was just a mere stake in the ground- It was fully intended to be built upon all along!

    AND YOU REPUBLICANS COULD HELP BUILD ON IT- IF YOU REALLY WANTED TO!

    But, I suppose it'll have to be the Democrats that improve it- without your party's help- of course!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geeko Sportivo View Post
    Ok! Ok! OK! Why the grandstanding?

    Why couldn't you just say your last sentence- Because that is the truth!

    The truth is a National Healthcare System was just a mere stake in the ground- It was fully intended to be built upon all along!

    AND YOU REPUBLICANS COULD HELP BUILD ON IT- IF YOU REALLY WANTED TO!

    But, I suppose it'll have to be the Democrats that improve it- without your party's help- of course!
    Because you have to use a bludgeon to get the point across to a Leftist. If I hadn't included examples and links, I'd be told I was full of shit and to prove it. I saved a step.

    Oh, the best way to improve it is get insurers and the government OUT of the healthcare business to the maximum extent possible. Insurance should be limited to catastrophic plans and routine medical care done by pay-as-you-go. Government needs to be out of most of this entirely.

    The one segment of healthcare that has seen costs rise the least and actually fall below inflation is the one segment that isn't operated on the insurance / government paying the bill system: Cosmetic and elective procedures.
    The rest of the healthcare market could be the same way, but it isn't. That's thanks to the awful decision by FDR to slap wage and price controls on everything during World War 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Piss poor planning on your part does not create a crisis on my part. People should plan ahead for their future not wait until fate runs them over.
    And yet you sucked on the government teat for years including free government medical care for you and yours
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    Quote Originally Posted by guno View Post
    And yet you sucked on the government teat for years including free government medical care for you and yours
    Bullshit too. Being employed by the government is not "suck(ing) on the government teat." It is being employed to do something, and in my case something the private sector doesn't do at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Callinectes View Post
    Canada has a larger land mass than the US. Canada has natural resources out the wahzoo. Canada taxes the hell out of it’s citizens because it has to. There’s only 38 million of them. That’s all the Canadians there are.

    In comparison, California alone has a population of 37 million. I’ve watched Canadians shop for clothes at walmart in northern Michigan, walk out to their cars and put on every article of clothing they had just purchased so they wouldn’t be charged a duty on it when they crossed the border.

    I’ve always been pretty sure of two things about government provided health care: if you want to experience AMERICAN “free” health care, do a hitch in the military(to make a long story short, I almost lost a leg because of a CAREER military doctor who sent me back to work without even a light duty waiver after a motorcycle accident put me in a cast for 8 weeks).

    The other thing is, if you live in a relatively wealthy country with a tiny population, “universal” healthcare might very well work for you…so when are you moving?
    My friends with medicare and the VA, choose the VA. They feel they get much better service. The docs are not getting paid by the procedure. They take time and they feel much better served.
    However medicare saves money by maintenance medicine. They send me emails telling me the procedures that I qualify for. They want to keep me healthy. That is better for them and for me.
    Our regular doctors make money off you staying sick.
    The population is not a factor. Why would that matter? You just have bigger systems. They all distill down to how difficult it is to get an appointment and how much it costs. In universal medical countries, you feel ill, you go to a doctor.
    You may wait for elective services, like nose jobs. But they have smaller waits for regular care. https://www.commonwealthfund.org/pub...-doctor-canada

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZappasGuitar View Post
    And you want to bankrupt the poor...how very CHRISTIAN of you.
    So no argument just emotion. Figured.

    Am I a Christian?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZappasGuitar View Post
    The "BEST" in the World?


    Sick and Elderly Black Man Discharged from Hospital Found on Sidewalk Because Medicare Stopped Paying for Care


    An unidentified elderly Black man was found on a sidewalk in Conyers, Georgia, a suburb of Atlanta, with medical tubes still attached after being discharged from a hospital nearby because Medicare would not continue coverage for his treatment.

    The 68-year-old man was discovered collapsed near the Piedmont Rockdale Hospital on Thursday, Oct. 14. According to a 911 caller, he appeared unresponsive and in need of medical assistance.

    “Poor guy. But he probably needs an ambulance and not…” the 911 caller said, according to WSB-TV. “It’s right in front of the Piedmont Rockdale Emergency entrance.”

    Conyers Police Deputy Chief Scott Freeman told reporters that, according to a hospital employee, the man was in the hospital’s care for 35 days for unidentified treatment and was cleared as “fit to leave” by two doctors when the hospital was notified that Medicare would not continue paying for his care.

    He was dressed by security, who then escorted him off the premises.

    When medical responders arrived to treat the man after the 911 call, he was found to have “sepsis, a high heart rate, fever, a urinary tract infection, and a possible bladder infection.”

    “Common sense dictates that you do not treat human beings the way that we’re seeing in this particular case,” said Freeman, who plans on filing a report on the incident with the Georgia Department of Community Affairs.

    “This man is laying out on the sidewalk unresponsive, and this is how they brought him out,” he stated. “They escorted him off the property and just left him on the sidewalk. This is inhumane; this is not who we are as a city, as a county, or even as a country. Or at least it shouldn’t be.”

    At the time of this writing, Medicare had not prepared a statement.

    Piedmont Healthcare addressed the incident, insinuating that the patient did not want continued services, saying that while they “do their best to connect patients in need” with “appropriate after-hospital care,” whether or not the services are accepted is “at the discretion of the patient.”

    “At Piedmont, our purpose is to make a positive difference in every life we touch. We can only provide the best care with the cooperation and consent of the patient. We do our best to connect patients in need with community partners and social service organizations to provide appropriate after-hospital care, but ultimately accepting these services is at the discretion of the patient.”

    No further updates have been given on the patient’s condition, however, he was taken back to the emergency room the same day he was released.

    https://www.yahoo.com/now/inhumane-s...150000711.html
    Well go to Europe where taxes are so high that healthcare should be provided, and to which they deserve it or go to Russia, China, NK and other areas where healthcare is basically non existent for the commoner. One thing for sure, the majority of Americans are covered with adequate healthcare despite the fact that Moscow Mitch and his un American team of repuke seditious tyrants are attempting to destroy those benefits of workers that earned it. This includes for the fact President Biden and Team ensured that 400 million doses of the covid-vaccine have been administered in America at 57% being fully vaccinated and about 60% at least getting partially vaccinated and reaching out to other nations with this highly effective covid-19 vaccine. This versus the act of the former lawlessly hacked in tRump insurgency conspiring to covid-19 murder over 600,000 Americans of diverse backgrounds and current repukes on that kill American campaign too.

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    If the guy was an illegal, he would not have been discharged...
    Common sense is not a gift, it's a punishment because you have to deal with everyone who doesn't have it.

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