Alternate Holocaust narrative

[Cypress]

You're simply ignoring everything that I post which doesn't suit your skewed prosemitic agenda.

Again- why doesn't the museum feature the results of its own research in full ? It acknowledges the results in terms of the discovery of 42,000 death camps and ghettos. Where's the rest of the report ?

You keep trying to include deaths which are not genocide into the story of the Holocaust.

Prisoners of war who starve to death, slave laborers who die from exposure and malnutrition, reprisals against civilians for partisan attacks are tragic -- but they are not genocide, and they are certainly not part of the meticulous and diabolical plan to exterminate a major ethnic group from the continent.

U.S. National Holocaust Museum Home Webpage

"The Holocaust was the state-sponsored, systematic persecution and annihilation of European Jewry by Nazi Germany and its collaborators between 1933 and 1945. Jews were the primary victims—six million were murdered; Roma, people with disabilities and Poles were also targeted for destruction or decimation for racial, ethnic, or national reasons."

"Millions more, including gay men, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Soviet prisoners of war and political dissidents, also suffered grievous oppression and death under Nazi tyranny."

https://www.ushmm.org/information/ab...on-and-history

[moon]

You keep trying to include deaths which are not genocide into the story of the Holocaust.

Genocide ? You're introducing criteria to cover your ass. Tranquilizer is doing the same. In order to ignore the millions more victims of the Holocaust you are attempting to limit them to genocidal deaths while Tranquilizer is attempting to limit them to ethnicities. You're both engaged in a scurrilous denial

Further, Jews were NOT the ' primary victims ' in terms of numbers. Repeating a lie does not make it true. Jews were one-third of the victims, according to research by the Washington Holocaust Museum. Non-Jewish victims included Slavs, Poles, Ukranians, Soviet Slavs, Spanish Republicans, Non-Europeans, the disabled, gays and lesbians, political prisoners, Leftists, allied nationals, Jehova's Witnesses, Roman Catholics, protestantds, Bahai's, Freemasons, Esperantists , Resistance suspects, Jew- harborers, harborers of other undesirables, prostitutes, vagrants, alcoholics, drug users, dissidents, pacifists, draft resisters and common criminals.
The Holocaust victims do NOT include up to 20 million Russian civilians who died as a result of Hitler's invasion of Russia- so quit bleating that I'm including those figures. The Holocaust victims died in the camps and ghettos- 42,000 -plus camps and ghettos. .

[Cypress]

Genocide ? You're introducing criteria to cover your ass. Tranquilizer is doing the same. In order to ignore the millions more victims of the Holocaust you are attempting to limit them to genocidal deaths while Tranquilizer is attempting to limit them to ethnicities. You're both engaged in a scurrilous denial

Further, Jews were NOT the ' primary victims ' in terms of numbers. Repeating a lie does not make it true. Jews were one-third of the victims, according to research by the Washington Holocaust Museum. Non-Jewish victims included Slavs, Poles, Ukranians, Soviet Slavs, Spanish Republicans, Non-Europeans, the disabled, gays and lesbians, political prisoners, Leftists, allied nationals, Jehova's Witnesses, Roman Catholics, protestantds, Bahai's, Freemasons, Esperantists , Resistance suspects, Jew- harborers, harborers of other undesirables, prostitutes, vagrants, alcoholics, drug users, dissidents, pacifists, draft resisters and common criminals.
The Holocaust victims do NOT included up to 20 million Russian civilians who died as a result of Hitler's invasion of Russia- so quit bleating that I'm including those figures. The Holocaust victims died in the camps and ghettos- 42,000 of them.

Although I have gotten you to claim USNHM as your favorite resource on the Holocaust, you have never actually been to the museum, have you?

Because you cannot walk through that place and come away with the impression Jews suffered less from the Holocaust than other groups.

U.S. National Holocaust Museum Home Webpage

"The Holocaust was the state-sponsored, systematic persecution and annihilation of European Jewry by Nazi Germany and its collaborators between 1933 and 1945. Jews were the primary victims—six million were murdered; Roma, people with disabilities and Poles were also targeted for destruction or decimation for racial, ethnic, or national reasons."

"Millions more, including gay men, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Soviet prisoners of war and political dissidents, also suffered grievous oppression and death under Nazi tyranny."

https://www.ushmm.org/information/ab...on-and-history

[moon]

Although I have gotten you to claim USNHM as your favorite resource on the Holocaust, you have never actually been to the museum, have you?

Because you cannot walk through that place and come away with the impression Jews suffered less from the Holocaust than other groups.

Nobody has said that Jews ' suffered less '. Your ass-covering is on overdrive.
No- I have not visited the Washington Holocaust Museum. However, I am currently in touch with it in order to ascertain why it has not changed its website information as a result of its own research findings. I'll let you know its reply.

[Cypress]

Nobody has said that Jews ' suffered less '. Your ass-covering is on overdrive.
No- I have not visited the Washington Holocaust Museum. However, I am currently in touch with it in order to ascertain why it has not changed its website information as a result of its own research findings. I'll let you know its reply.

You should visit the US National Holocaust museum sometime.

I have been there at least four times.

It is totally worth it.

A tour of the place will disabuse your preconception that a Zionist plot is out to utterly exaggerate the fate of the Jews during the Holocaust, and will disabuse your notion that the mass murder of other minority groups is supposedly ignored and swept under the rug by the Zionist lobby.

[moon]

You should visit the US National Holocaust museum sometime.

I have been there at least four times.

It is totally worth it.

A tour of the place will disabuse your preconception that a Zionist plot is out to utterly exaggerate the fate of the Jews during the Holocaust, and will disabuse your notion that the mass murder of other minority groups is supposedly ignored and swept under the rug by the Zionist lobby.

As I've said previously, twice now- you are deluded. I have never challenged the , previously-accepted , wisdom that at least 6 million Jews died in the Shoah. You are fabricating my position in order to suit your own. As for ignoring the non-Jewish victims even Wiesenthal is said to have confessed that a total of just 11 million victims in total was falsely claimed .

[Concart]

It's been my experience that you slaves aren't allowed to hear the facts on that matter. History is written by the victors. The victors are powerful. They control forums and everything else. But if you want to send me a PM, maybe I can help you.

Lol no thanks creepy dude.

[Concart]

Cowardice Is the Crime That Enables All Others


There are debatable opposing narratives about what we should conclude from the Holocaust. What lessons should we have learned from it?

First alternative: The Holocaust tells us nothing about racism in general.

Second: The rest of the world can't be judged guilty of anything just because it didn't intervene.

Third: American Jews could have joined the British or Canadian armies more than two years before Pearl Harbor, so, if the second alternative if false, the Jews were as guilty as the Isolationists.

Fourth: The Jews should have terrorized the Nazis; every Jew should have chosen violence instead of hiding or submitting in a cowardly hope that things wouldn't turn out so bad. That would have prevented World War II. The same could be said about the Czechs, the Poles, the Belgians, the Dutch, and the Danes.

Thanks for anti Semitic scumbag narrative.

[Tranquillus in Exile]

why doesn't the museum feature the results of its own research in full ? It acknowledges the results in terms of the discovery of 42,000 death camps and ghettos. Where's the rest of the report ?

There weren't 42,000 death camps, you ineffable dummy. There were fewer than ten, all in Poland. You don't know what you're talking about, do you?


ADDED: I'll try to explain it to you again.

Vernichtungslager (extermination camps) were death factories designed for killing people and nothing else. They were much smaller than regular concentration camps because they didn't have to accomodate many people.

A trainload of Jews comes in. Gas them, shove them in the ovens. Next.

That's how it worked.

[Cypress]

There weren't 42,000 death camps, you ineffable dummy. There were fewer than ten, all in Poland. You don't know what you're talking about, do you?

Right, anyone who says there were 42,000 death camps really is not educated on WW2. The Nazis only built a few death camps equipped with zyclon gas Chambers for purposes of mass extermination.

All in Poland.

US Holocaust Museum does research on the broad range of Nazi atrocities which are outside the scope of genocide and Death camps. Moon is attempting to include all the slave labor facilities, concentration prison camps, and ghettos across Europe, and lump them in with the genocide being implemented at the death camps.

[chainbreak]

Lol no thanks creepy dude.

Creepy dude? Listen asswipe. You asked a question, I answered it. To the best of my ability at this forum. Because forums simply don't allow the truth. That you should even have had to ask such a question here is proof of that. Though I do know of one forum that allows you to speak the truth to a greater degree than I've found on any other forum. But I wouldn't be allowed to tell you what that forum is. In the future, if you ask a question, ask one that you actually want a fucking answer to. Don't insult those who try to answer it.

[Concart]

Creepy dude? Listen asswipe. You asked a question, I answered it. To the best of my ability at this forum. Because forums simply don't allow the truth. That you should even have had to ask such a question here is proof of that. Though I do know of one forum that allows you to speak the truth to a greater degree than I've found on any other forum. But I wouldn't be allowed to tell you what that forum is. In the future, if you ask a question, ask one that you actually want a fucking answer to. Don't insult those who try to answer it.

Don’t ask me to PM you creepy dude. Take your vast conspiracy theories somewhere else. LOL I could tell you but I’d have to kill you. No thanks to your invite to storm front.

[The Sage of Main Street]

Thanks for anti Semitic scumbag narrative.

Confused and Depressing Jews Like Freud and Kafka Made the Jews Submit to the Holocaust

Thanks for being a gutless puke who sympathizes with people who won't fight for themselves. Any Israeli would spit on you Yellow Jews; his country wouldn't exist if it had been settled by the generation of German Jewish cowardly weaklings.

[Dachshund]

Not true. One curriculum specialist used that as an example to meet the new Texas law requiring controversial subjects to be approached from differing perspectives. She suggested if a teacher had a book in the classroom on the Holocaust to include a book on the "other side." She realized she used a poor example and the superintendent apologized saying they recognized there was not another side to the Holocaust.

The Texas law was aimed at teaching critical race theory but nobody is clear how to meet the requirements of the law and she used a poor example.

The NAZI holocaust is not a controversial issue. A controversial topic is defined as one about which intelligent/rational adults in a society have differing/opposing opinions. The holocaust in WW-ii is not controversial. It was an horrific example of genocide. Full Stop. No intelligent/sane person disagrees. Appalling and distressing as the Holocaust may be to learn about, it is very important that young people are taught this history ( for obvious reasons). I don't think there's anything controversial about saying this,

The same applies to CRT. CRT is intellectually bankrupt, poilitical garbage. It is simply half-baked, poisonous, anti-American, black supremacist racism. There is, IMO, nothing controversial about insisting that such material should not be taught to American school children.



Dachshund



Dachshund Lives Matter !

[moon]

There weren't 42,000 death camps, you ineffable dummy. There were fewer than ten, all in Poland. You don't know what you're talking about, do you?


ADDED: I'll try to explain it to you again.

Vernichtungslager (extermination camps) were death factories designed for killing people and nothing else. They were much smaller than regular concentration camps because they didn't have to accomodate many people.

A trainload of Jews comes in. Gas them, shove them in the ovens. Next.

That's how it worked.

Silly asshole. You're a Holocaust Denier. Not only do you deny the numbers of non-Jewish victims - as established by a decade of research by the Washington Holocaust Museum- but you also deny the numbers of camps and ghettos- as established by a decade of research by the Washington Holocaust Museum.
Why do you do this ? Because you've made a fool of yourself with your niggardly and petulant semantic juggling , you've been called out and found wanting. I imagine that this is quite common in your everyday existence.

Your foolishly over-simplified potted history of the Holocaust serves only to reinforce the ignorance surrounding the event which has misled millions into thinking that the sick minds behind the industrial-scale killing were interested only in exterminating Jews. You're a foolish peddler of misinformation. Jesus Christ, you're even a Brexiteer !



Haw, haw, haw, haw....................................haw.

Here's another reminder of your willful stupidity;

Non-Jewish minority and ethnic victims;
Slavs, Poles, Ukranians, Soviet Slavs, Spanish Republicans, Non-Europeans, the disabled, gays and lesbians, political prisoners, Leftists, allied nationals, Jehova's Witnesses, Roman Catholics, protestants, Bahai's, Freemasons, Esperantists , Resistance suspects, Jew- harborers, harborers of other undesirables, prostitutes, vagrants, alcoholics, drug users, dissidents, pacifists, draft resisters, blue-triangle ' emigrants ' and common criminals.


Dullard.