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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Can you imagine how much worse the traffic would be if Manhattan car ownership rates were the same as suburban car ownership rates?

    The fact is that NYC cannot be run like the suburbs with huge numbers of cars. The density of people is just too high.
    The fact also is that there are a tremendous number of cars on the streets of NYC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    By definition a beltway goes AROUND a city, not through it. There is one point the Baltimore Beltway I-695 barely crosses the city line into Baltimore, but for the most part it is outside the city.

    New York City does have a lot of cars, but not a lot compared to the number of people. It has far more people. It is the type of city you can do very well in without owning a car.

    I have taken a car into Manhattan, but always park it once I am there, and then move around Manhattan without a car. Finding a new parking space near every location I have to go to in Manhattan would be crazy, no one would do something like that. I do prefer to take the train into Manhattan, and not deal with any of it.
    And what has any of this got to do with electric cars???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Can you imagine how much worse the traffic would be if Manhattan car ownership rates were the same as suburban car ownership rates?

    The fact is that NYC cannot be run like the suburbs with huge numbers of cars. The density of people is just too high.
    The only reason it's so bad is that NYC was a city pre-automobile. That is, it didn't develop after the invention of the automobile. Had it, it would resemble LA or Phoenix instead. That doesn't mean that as an urban model it's superior, only that it's different. In a great many ways, the pre-automobile city is inferior in design to ones that are car-centric.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    The only reason it's so bad is that NYC was a city pre-automobile. That is, it didn't develop after the invention of the automobile. Had it, it would resemble LA or Phoenix instead. That doesn't mean that as an urban model it's superior, only that it's different. In a great many ways, the pre-automobile city is inferior in design to ones that are car-centric.
    Most large cities were founded before autos. The problem is NYC is an island. It has unique problems that subways solved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Most large cities were founded before autos. The problem is NYC is an island. It has unique problems that subways solved.
    Few in the US were large pre-automobile. For example, Phoenix is now the 5th largest city in the US and its growth is all post 1970's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Few in the US were large pre-automobile. For example, Phoenix is now the 5th largest city in the US and its growth is all post 1970's.
    It was founded in 1881.
    Every fucking city on the east coast was far before autos. Arizona became a state in 1912. Phoenix was founded in 1881. Before autos, way before. There were no roads . Ike signed the national road system in 1956. That is why there were almost no cars in the west. No local manufacturing either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    It was founded in 1881.
    Every fucking city on the east coast was far before autos. Arizona became a state in 1912. Phoenix was founded in 1881. Before autos, way before. There were no roads . Ike signed the national road system in 1956. That is why there were almost no cars in the west. No local manufacturing either.
    That's not the point. Up to the 70's Phoenix was a small city with an even smaller footprint that was older than about 1930.



    The point is, that most of the city was developed after the automobile was invented, and most of the substantial growth happened in the later half of the 20th Century. Founding, and its growth and development into a large city are two very distinct things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    That's not the point. Up to the 70's Phoenix was a small city with an even smaller footprint that was older than about 1930.



    The point is, that most of the city was developed after the automobile was invented, and most of the substantial growth happened in the later half of the 20th Century. Founding, and its growth and development into a large city are two very distinct things.
    Do you have a point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Do you have a point?
    That's Phoenix in the 30's. It was a small town of nothing at the time. It is as I pointed out, an auto-centric city developed after the invention of the automobile in the late 20th Century. New York City was a large city in the 18th Century and has grown since. Its layout predates the automobile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Do you have a point?
    He just made it. RQAA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    My EV does not require anything but a regular plug. I pay $.11 a kilowatt hour, and get $.09/mile.

    My old car was $.22/mile using gas at $3.60 a gallon.
    and didn't have $24,000 in batteries that will need to be replaced in 2 years
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stringfellow Hawk View Post
    and didn't have $24,000 in batteries that will need to be replaced in 2 years
    Mine doesn’t either…. On the fourth year and the $4,000 battery is strong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    Mine doesn’t either…. On the fourth year and the $4,000 battery is strong.
    Because you hardly use it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    Mine doesn’t either…. On the fourth year and the $4,000 battery is strong.
    40,000 miles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    Mine doesn’t either…. On the fourth year and the $4,000 battery is strong.
    there is not a single electric car on the market that has a 4,000 battery, so you are a liar and full of shit
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