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    Quote Originally Posted by martin View Post
    There is both but they mean different things.

    White privilege is ingrained. Black privilege is artificial. Historically, white citizens enjoyed privileged status in most aspects of American life underlined by long held belief in racial superiority which whites now often deny while continuing to believe. The purpose of affirmative action, minority employment, etc. have been forced efforts to cut into the outward projections of that racism, so are in a sense a superficial privilege themselves.

    Yeah, I agree with your comments on "useless" Republicans.
    Sounds like what's being pushed. I disagree with it because it's inherently racist. We don't get rid of racism by being racist. We don't get rid of hate by putting the shoe on the other foot.

    It's racist because it divides Americans by race. Apparently saying things like Wealth Privilege or Majority Rule didn't piss enough people off so the Democrats racialized the divisions most often created by wealth in our nation, not race.

    There is no denying there are huge disparities in parts of our nation. Most of them are with lower income Americans. There are assholes in all economic groups, usually 10% as a rule of thumb. Meaning 90% of any group are good Americans regardless of race.

    By injecting race as the sole cause of the economic disparities, the Democrats are taking the nation down the wrong path. A racist path somewhat parallel to the Republicans but running in the opposite direction.

    Money is at the root of our troubles; regardless who's in power, our leaders continue to spend more than the nation can pay so the debt goes up and we, as a nation, put the burden on our children. That's not racist. That's just fucking stupid.

    IMO, our problems are economic and they will be solved economically. This racist bullshit is distracting the nation from the main problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Look at the response to Rodney Harrison when he called Kaepernick white. No bueno.

    The argument will always be it doesn’t matter what you claim if you are if you are black that is how cops will view you.

    And to eliminate racial boxes would imply a colorblind society and thus denying our racist history and white privilege.
    Harrison is a good example of my point: yes, society has racialized itself. My point is that the Democrats are doing most of the pushing and the Repubilcans are fucking useless as continual deniers of a problem.

    IMO, Kap chooses to identify as black just like Rachel Dolezal. The fact some of Kaps ancestors were more recent inhabitants of Africa than Rachel's is irrelevant in socially racial divisions.

    Remember the outrage when Tiger refused to identify as "black"?

    Was there justice in how society treated her? Was it like how Rodney was treated about Kap?

    The Democrats are pushing the racism and the Republicans deny any problem exists. Both are wrong and this is why I don't trust either of them.

    I'm having a nearly identical conversation with Martin post #76 if you want to see more: https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...84#post4727884
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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    "Both are out of touch with the times"

    Republicans are bringing back the 1950's, and Democrats are doing what exactly?

    The Supreme Court ended the Voting Rights Act.

    And you fault Democrats for attempting to claw back voting rights?
    What you call voting rights, the rest of us call vote stealing. Democrats have destroyed democracy with all their electoral fraud.
    Reckless drivers are a bigger threat to you than all other criminals put together!

    THE BIG LIE - Blacks and whites are different physically but identical mentally!

    There is no way 81 million americans voted for a man they know is a child molester w dementia. Impeach Joe the Pedophile Vegetable (JPV)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    Kap isn't black.

    Republicans see anyone non white as 'black'. Skin color doesn't matter.
    You say "skin color doesn't matter". So you oppose affirmative action, right??
    Reckless drivers are a bigger threat to you than all other criminals put together!

    THE BIG LIE - Blacks and whites are different physically but identical mentally!

    There is no way 81 million americans voted for a man they know is a child molester w dementia. Impeach Joe the Pedophile Vegetable (JPV)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Geneticists have proved there are no races. This can be mostly clearly seen in organ matching.
    so you are opposed to affirmative action , right?
    Reckless drivers are a bigger threat to you than all other criminals put together!

    THE BIG LIE - Blacks and whites are different physically but identical mentally!

    There is no way 81 million americans voted for a man they know is a child molester w dementia. Impeach Joe the Pedophile Vegetable (JPV)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Text Drivers are Killers View Post
    so you are opposed to affirmative action , right?
    Yes. No end game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Attacking someone based on race is divisive and only represents a fraction of the whole.
    If Republicans suppress non white voters, how do you suggest these voters ought to be referred to? Or am I not quite grasping this comment?





    Not sure what you are asking, but the "Big Lie" is a big lie. Anyone who supports it is an idiot or a liar.
    You said Republicans believe that the election was stolen.

    Do they believe it, or are they just fundraising?
    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Text Drivers are Killers View Post
    What you call voting rights, the rest of us call vote stealing. Democrats have destroyed democracy with all their electoral fraud.
    You are an idiot.
    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Text Drivers are Killers View Post
    You say "skin color doesn't matter". So you oppose affirmative action, right??
    I don't believe that Dubyah should have been accepted to Yale. Does that count?
    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    If Republicans suppress non white voters, how do you suggest these voters ought to be referred to? Or am I not quite grasping this comment?

    You said Republicans believe that the election was stolen.

    Do they believe it, or are they just fundraising?
    Show me how the Republicans are only suppressing "non-white voters". They aren't. To say so is an exaggeration at best and a political lie at worst.

    What is true is that the Republicans are the most frequent users of redistricting to favor Republicans, not what is best for Americans. They are also guilty of twisting laws to disenfranchise poor and high density population areas. Yes, this often adversely affects minorities disproportionately the majority, but it's a falsehood to say only minorities are affected.

    All laws have to be Constitutional. What you've suggested is unConstitutional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post

    All laws have to be Constitutional. What you've suggested is unConstitutional.
    Incorrect

    Shelby County v. Holder, 570 U.S. 529 (2013), was a landmark decision[1] of the US Supreme Court regarding the constitutionality of two provisions of the Voting Rights Act of 1965: Section 5, which requires certain states and local governments to obtain federal preclearance before implementing any changes to their voting laws or practices; and Section 4(b), which contains the coverage formula that determines which jurisdictions are subject to preclearance based on their histories of discrimination in voting.[2][3]
    On June 25, 2013, the Court ruled by a 5 to 4 vote that Section 4(b) was unconstitutional because the coverage formula was based on data over 40 years old, making it no longer responsive to current needs and therefore an impermissible burden on the constitutional principles of federalism and equal sovereignty of the states.[2][3] The Court did not strike down Section 5, but without Section 4(b), no jurisdiction will be subject to Section 5 preclearance unless Congress enacts a new coverage formula.[4] Some allege the ruling has made it easier for state officials to make it harder for ethnic minority voters to vote.[5]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    Incorrect

    Shelby County v. Holder, 570 U.S. 529 (2013), was a landmark decision[1] of the US Supreme Court regarding the constitutionality of two provisions of the Voting Rights Act of 1965: Section 5, which requires certain states and local governments to obtain federal preclearance before implementing any changes to their voting laws or practices; and Section 4(b), which contains the coverage formula that determines which jurisdictions are subject to preclearance based on their histories of discrimination in voting.[2][3]
    On June 25, 2013, the Court ruled by a 5 to 4 vote that Section 4(b) was unconstitutional because the coverage formula was based on data over 40 years old, making it no longer responsive to current needs and therefore an impermissible burden on the constitutional principles of federalism and equal sovereignty of the states.[2][3] The Court did not strike down Section 5, but without Section 4(b), no jurisdiction will be subject to Section 5 preclearance unless Congress enacts a new coverage formula.[4] Some allege the ruling has made it easier for state officials to make it harder for ethnic minority voters to vote.[5]
    So now it's Constitutional. If not, why hasn't it been Constitutional for 55 years?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Agreed about the Republicans. The Democrats still think it's the 1960s and fighting for the Civil Rights Act. They are failing to recognize two things:

    1. The US is not only becoming increasingly racially diverse, but mixed race. Democrats want to keep their racial politics, literally, Black and White.

    2. The study of genetics has proved there are not "races". As such, being "black" or "white" in America is about culture, not genetics. Still, the Democrats portray it as a race thing, meaning "not their choice" genetics thing, not a lifestyle choice thing. Kap chose to be "black". He was raised a middle class "white" kid. Democrats support this ideology.

    I think your second point is the key to it. Racism is mainly about culture. If most black Americans spoke like Condoleezza Race, well, draw your own conclusions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by martin View Post
    I think your second point is the key to it. Racism is mainly about culture. If most black Americans spoke like Condoleezza Race, well, draw your own conclusions.
    Exactly. Just like most Yankee liberals ridicule Southerners on their accent; it's cultural bigotry.

    Every American has an unalienable right to live their life as they please as long as they don't hurt anyone. Like Rachel Dolezal, Americans are free to associate with whom they like and live their lives by whatever culture they choose.

    OTOH, some assholes deem themselves controllers of culture and like to tell others what to do. They are not good people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    I don't believe that Dubyah should have been accepted to Yale. Does that count?
    He was a legacy with rich and powerful connections. He was reputed to be a party boy coking his brains out. He got the "gentelmens Cs".

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