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    Default 7 mind-blowing facts that show why employment in the US is the worst in the developed

    The US federal government offers surprisingly few worker protections — especially when compared to other developed nations.

    Not only is the US the only industrialized country without paid parental leave, it also does not require companies give paid vacation
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    As a result, Americans work longer hours than people in Europe and Japan, and suffer from high rates of burnout. Minimum-wage workers cannot afford rent for a two-bedroom apartment in much of the US, and the increasing number of gig-economy workers like Uber and Lyft drivers have even fewer protections than their full-time counterparts.

    Here are seven mind-blowing facts that depict how few worker protections the US provides....

    https://www.businessinsider.com/how-...ections-2019-7
    Which party is the party representing the people again? Because I do tend to forget. Oh that's right, the lesser of two evils does now and then but what about on this issue?

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    Read that article. That is the most absurd argument I've ever read. The US needs more socialism in employment... That's what that article amounts to. Maybe the writer should look at Japan or China some time and their treatment of workers.

    The average Japanese worker does 10 to 12 hours per day and gets no overtime. 46 to 48 hours a week is the norm.

    What the article does is cherry pick items from other nations and compare these to the US. Then the article argues that the solution is more government regulation and what amounts to more socialism.

    As for which party cares about workers? Neither. The Democrats are pushing right now to force more workers into unions because unions support Democrats, as but one example of how both parties do things that aren't in worker's best interests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Read that article. That is the most absurd argument I've ever read. The US needs more socialism in employment... That's what that article amounts to. Maybe the writer should look at Japan or China some time and their treatment of workers.

    The average Japanese worker does 10 to 12 hours per day and gets no overtime. 46 to 48 hours a week is the norm.

    What the article does is cherry pick items from other nations and compare these to the US. Then the article argues that the solution is more government regulation and what amounts to more socialism.

    As for which party cares about workers? Neither. The Democrats are pushing right now to force more workers into unions because unions support Democrats, as but one example of how both parties do things that aren't in worker's best interests.

    Since China is a communist country totally controlled by a small group of people that prohibit true input from the citizenry, and Japan is corporate dominated...the cooperation is between them, NOT by with or by their workers ... your entire screed collapses.

    Next time, know WTF you're rambling on about before your fingers hit the keys...makes you look less foolish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Read that article. That is the most absurd argument I've ever read. The US needs more socialism in employment... That's what that article amounts to. Maybe the writer should look at Japan or China some time and their treatment of workers.

    The average Japanese worker does 10 to 12 hours per day and gets no overtime. 46 to 48 hours a week is the norm.

    What the article does is cherry pick items from other nations and compare these to the US. Then the article argues that the solution is more government regulation and what amounts to more socialism.

    As for which party cares about workers? Neither. The Democrats are pushing right now to force more workers into unions because unions support Democrats, as but one example of how both parties do things that aren't in worker's best interests.
    Unions are the only protection the US worker has. It's no surprise that Republicans hate unions.

    We need a worker uprising in the US. It's 2021 and US employment is still "at-will." Sure, it's technically illegal to fire an employee for trying to unionize or for discussing pay with coworkers, but that means nothing when your boss can fire you for literally no reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
    Since China is a communist country totally controlled by a small group of people that prohibit true input from the citizenry, and Japan is corporate dominated...the cooperation is between them, NOT by with or by their workers ... your entire screed collapses.

    Next time, know WTF you're rambling on about before your fingers hit the keys...makes you look less foolish.
    That poster seems steeped in right-wing anti-worker propaganda. He's probably one of those who complains that "nobody wants to work" without realizing that most of the jobs struggling to find workers are shit jobs that pay peanuts and offer no benefits.

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    There's a subreddit called r/antiwork. It's becoming one of the top subreddits.

    If you're interested in discussing worker rights, it's a place to visit.

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    I can see how millennials would be attracted to a forum titled "antiwork"......
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    Quote Originally Posted by American Man View Post
    Unions are the only protection the US worker has. It's no surprise that Republicans hate unions.

    We need a worker uprising in the US. It's 2021 and US employment is still "at-will." Sure, it's technically illegal to fire an employee for trying to unionize or for discussing pay with coworkers, but that means nothing when your boss can fire you for literally no reason.
    Anything deviating from pure free market capitalism is "the stupidest argument he's ever read"

    Can't argue with an ideologue moron, don't bother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by American Man View Post
    Unions are the only protection the US worker has. It's no surprise that Republicans hate unions.

    We need a worker uprising in the US. It's 2021 and US employment is still "at-will." Sure, it's technically illegal to fire an employee for trying to unionize or for discussing pay with coworkers, but that means nothing when your boss can fire you for literally no reason.
    Bullshit. Workers have legal rights whether they're in a union or not. Many unions are about as useful as tits on a rattlesnake when it comes to protecting workers. Union or not, employers generally cannot fire you for "literally no reason" and you still have legal recourse to that.

    On the other hand, unions often restrict member's ability to do various jobs, take side work, and do anything beyond the job the union contracted for them. Dues are often onerous and used for supporting political movements and politicians the member objects to. This was partially blocked by the Beck v. CCA case in the 80's.

    So, unions can be as bad or worse as employers and certainly are no panacea for workers.

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    Hello T. A. Gardner,

    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Read that article. That is the most absurd argument I've ever read. The US needs more socialism in employment... That's what that article amounts to. Maybe the writer should look at Japan or China some time and their treatment of workers.

    The average Japanese worker does 10 to 12 hours per day and gets no overtime. 46 to 48 hours a week is the norm.

    What the article does is cherry pick items from other nations and compare these to the US. Then the article argues that the solution is more government regulation and what amounts to more socialism.

    As for which party cares about workers? Neither. The Democrats are pushing right now to force more workers into unions because unions support Democrats, as but one example of how both parties do things that aren't in worker's best interests.
    American workers work more hours per year than Japanese workers.
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    Hello T. A. Gardner,

    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Bullshit. Workers have legal rights whether they're in a union or not. Many unions are about as useful as tits on a rattlesnake when it comes to protecting workers. Union or not, employers generally cannot fire you for "literally no reason" and you still have legal recourse to that.

    On the other hand, unions often restrict member's ability to do various jobs, take side work, and do anything beyond the job the union contracted for them. Dues are often onerous and used for supporting political movements and politicians the member objects to. This was partially blocked by the Beck v. CCA case in the 80's.

    So, unions can be as bad or worse as employers and certainly are no panacea for workers.
    Sounds like a basic objection to any organizations.

    It's not like for-profit corporations are any gleaming example of virtuosity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello T. A. Gardner,



    Sounds like a basic objection to any organizations.

    It's not like for-profit corporations are any gleaming example of virtuosity.
    And the best way to ensure workers have a choice is Right-to-work. If they want a union, fine. If not, fine. Unions should not be able to monopolize labor through closed-shop laws. If the union is worth joining, workers will join. If not, then they won't. Giving unions the power to force workers into them is absolutely wrong.

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    Hello T. A. Gardner,

    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    And the best way to ensure workers have a choice is Right-to-work. If they want a union, fine. If not, fine. Unions should not be able to monopolize labor through closed-shop laws. If the union is worth joining, workers will join. If not, then they won't. Giving unions the power to force workers into them is absolutely wrong.
    So you believe government should intervene into the market to prevent that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello T. A. Gardner,



    American workers work more hours per year than Japanese workers.
    So we should work less and get taxed more...Got it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinnabar View Post
    Which party is the party representing the people again? Because I do tend to forget. Oh that's right, the lesser of two evils does now and then but what about on this issue?

    Wake up folks! It's rude to sleep when you are getting screwed.
    This is all true and all stuff of which I was very aware as a union rep twenty years ago.

    It is very easy to get the horrifically stupid conservative American worker to vote IN DIRECT OPPOSITION TO HIS/HER BEST INTERESTS.

    Just pander to their religious superstitions like fetus worship and prayer in schools.
    Tell them that Democrats want to take away their firearms.
    Tell them that they're not stupid to think that they're vastly superior to niggers and spicks and slopes.

    If the typical working class conservative has no use as landfill, he/she has absolutely no use at all.

    We're a shamefully socially regressive country because a handful of billionaire corporate oligarchs who run the Republican Party
    have the ignorant rank and file dancing from strings.
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    Religion....is the opiate of the people. Karl Marx, 1848
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