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    Default But but … isn’t fascism left-wing?

    The leading candidate to be next mayor of Rome, Enrico Michetti, is in trouble for praising Hitler, saying “if a country slides into chaos, you need a strong man to restore order”. (How did that work out?)
    He is heavily backed by the Brothers of Italy party, considered to be heirs of Italy’s fascist movement.

    Mr Michetti is the candidate of the RIGHT.

    I don’t know what to think! Is fascism left-wing as JPP righties tell us, or right-wing according to Italian fascists? And is War Peace, and Ignorance Strength?

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    This is an example of Fallacy of Composition using Circular Reasoning and Cherry Picking.

    Fascism is definable by it's traits. Fascism has specific political positions and goals. Define these, then see if Michetti matches them. If not, then he's a Fascist in name only and not actually a fascist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquillus in Exile View Post
    The leading candidate to be next mayor of Rome, Enrico Michetti, is in trouble for praising Hitler, saying “if a country slides into chaos, you need a strong man to restore order”. (How did that work out?)
    He is heavily backed by the Brothers of Italy party, considered to be heirs of Italy’s fascist movement.

    Mr Michetti is the candidate of the RIGHT.

    I don’t know what to think! Is fascism left-wing as JPP righties tell us, or right-wing according to Italian fascists? And is War Peace, and Ignorance Strength?
    We should check in with the people who actually had skin in the game and had real life experience with fascism and communism.

    George Orwell, who famously considered himself a democratic socialist, went to Spain with his lefty socialist buddies to fight Franco's rightwing fascists and their Nazi allies in the Spanish civil war

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    This is an example of Fallacy of Composition using Circular Reasoning and Cherry Picking.

    Fascism is definable by it's traits. Fascism has specific political positions and goals. Define these, then see if Michetti matches them. If not, then he's a Fascist in name only and not actually a fascist.
    Fascism is fascism, no matter where it is in a political spectrum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Fascism is fascism, no matter where it is in a political spectrum.
    Fascism fits into the political spectrum based on its ideas and what it espouses. That doesn't change just because the others on that part of the spectrum don't want to be associated with fascism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Fascism fits into the political spectrum based on its ideas and what it espouses. That doesn't change just because the others on that part of the spectrum don't want to be associated with fascism.
    In other words Communists don't want to be associated with Fascists and Fascists don't want to be associated with Communists.

    Thank you for confirming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    In other words Communists don't want to be associated with Fascists and Fascists don't want to be associated with Communists.

    Thank you for confirming.
    Pretty much and Socialists hate both of them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Pretty much and Socialists hate both of them...
    What is a Socialist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    What is a Socialist?
    Sort of like an agnostic Communist...

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Sort of like an agnostic Communist...
    So a Capitalist is sort of like an agnostic Fascist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    So a Capitalist is sort of like an agnostic Fascist?
    No, a Socialist is just not into being a fanatic about nationalism like a Fascist...

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    No, a Socialist is just not into being a fanatic about nationalism like a Fascist...
    In other words, those two economic theories/systems have nothing to do with politics. It's just how they use them.

    Thank you for confirming again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Pretty much and Socialists hate both of them...
    Agreed. So the constant drum beat by the the right wing wonks that socialism = communism or fascism just plain wrong! Thanks for copping to that.
    During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.

    George Orwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    In other words, those two economic theories/systems have nothing to do with politics. It's just how they use them.

    Thank you for confirming again.
    No, they do. I'll have to find a way to post my graph on this. It is three axis, economic, social, and political. The economic goes from barter (far right) to command (far left). Social goes from individual (far right) to group or society (far left). Political goes from anarchy (far right) to totalitarian / dictatorship (far left).

    Far right governments don't exist. You can't really have a society based on anarchy, barter, and individuals doing whatever they want. Far left governments are command economies (the government controls the economy one way or another), the individual is irrelevant, and are totalitarian dictatorships.

    It is consistent. It doesn't label governments by terms like "communist" or "democratic" but rather by clearly measurable things. This is how fascism ends up on the Left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
    Agreed. So the constant drum beat by the the right wing wonks that socialism = communism or fascism just plain wrong! Thanks for copping to that.
    Just because some idiot academics parrot each other doesn't mean they're correct. I've asked the question repeatedly, What makes Fascism Right wing? The answers I get don't explain that.

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