But but … isn’t fascism left-wing?

[AProudLefty]

apparently you are stupid enough to believe that families are governments........please step aside and let people with brains discuss things......

So parents don't govern their houses and kids?

[PostmodernProphet]

Thank you for your honesty.

thanks for tripping over your own tongue.......mindless fuck......I do in fact believe you are a lower class citizen.......don't know if you are black or Jewish, but you are definitely one of the ignorant demmycrats......

[PostmodernProphet]

So parents don't govern their houses and kids?

did you vote for your mom or your dad.......

[AProudLefty]

did you vote for your mom or your dad.......

Yep. But then again sometimes it doesn't work. I would go to my mom and ask if I could do something and she says go ask your dad! Then I asked dad and he says go ask your mom!

That's basically how the Congress works.

[Tranquillus in Exile]

Fascist leaders ranged from ultra-conservative to populist, but whatever the rhetoric they never up-ended the established socio-economic order. Instead they used it for their own ends.


Common elements of fascist ideology:

Restoring a supposed golden age from the past (make Rome etc. great again!).

Cult of personality - the leader is never wrong, fake news scribblers who question that are bad.

Extolling military virtues, hierarchy, nationalism, racial purity.

Supporting private ownership of finance and industry (except for persecuted minorities).

The last point takes us back to conservative Mr Michetti, who also said that we remember the Holocaust only because Jews own the banks.


Of course conservativism is not fascism, just as social democracy is not communism. But social democrats don’t pretend that communism is right-wing.

[T. A. Gardner]

Okay what is right wing? The European left and right wing? American? What. Keep in mind that the concept came from France. According to them, left wing is individualism and right wing is monarchy.

Monarchies are a form of dictatorship. If the monarchy controls the economy then it is likely to one degree or another socialist as well. North Korea is more a monarchy than communist nation. You have an hereditary head-of-state who by some propaganda is of divine birth, and that monarch controls everything.

One needs to be consistent in placing various systems of government, society, and economics on some sort of scale. Defining their position by labeling alone is useless.

Fascism is on the Left because it is dictatorial, socialist (either outright or statist-Capitalist a variant), nationalist (as opposed to internationalist for Communism). On this last, you might think of Fascism as akin to a non-converting religion where Communism is a converting religion. That is Fascism seeks to elevate the nation and promotes xenophobia. Communism seeks to spread itself to every corner of the planet and promote a one-world-government.

In both cases, the state subsumes the individual, government runs the economy (even if in a fascist state the means of production is left in private hands so long as they do as the government dictates), and the government itself is a dictatorship.

[AProudLefty]

Monarchies are a form of dictatorship. If the monarchy controls the economy then it is likely to one degree or another socialist as well. North Korea is more a monarchy than communist nation. You have an hereditary head-of-state who by some propaganda is of divine birth, and that monarch controls everything.

The economy of North Korea is to feed that fat bastard. Now see how that worked out for him. He's thin now.

One needs to be consistent in placing various systems of government, society, and economics on some sort of scale. Defining their position by labeling alone is useless.

Socialism and Capitalism are both economic systems. Nothing to do with politics.

That is Fascism seeks to elevate the nation and promotes xenophobia. Communism seeks to spread itself to every corner of the planet and promote a one-world-government.

You've literally just described every far right folks.

In both cases, the state subsumes the individual, government runs the economy (even if in a fascist state the means of production is left in private hands so long as they do as the government dictates), and the government itself is a dictatorship.

Governments might run the economy, it still doesn't make the economic system political.

[T. A. Gardner]

Your double talk aside, TA, things mean what they mean, and JPP denizens who want to present fascism as left wing are merely continuing to display ignorance which has already, long ago, been recognized.

You are making a definist fallacy here. You cannot define something however you want and change that definition at will. I would ask you to define how fascism is on the Right in some sort of measurable terms against other political systems.

[Nordberg]

Monarchies are a form of dictatorship. If the monarchy controls the economy then it is likely to one degree or another socialist as well. North Korea is more a monarchy than communist nation. You have an hereditary head-of-state who by some propaganda is of divine birth, and that monarch controls everything.

One needs to be consistent in placing various systems of government, society, and economics on some sort of scale. Defining their position by labeling alone is useless.

Fascism is on the Left because it is dictatorial, socialist (either outright or statist-Capitalist a variant), nationalist (as opposed to internationalist for Communism). On this last, you might think of Fascism as akin to a non-converting religion where Communism is a converting religion. That is Fascism seeks to elevate the nation and promotes xenophobia. Communism seeks to spread itself to every corner of the planet and promote a one-world-government.

In both cases, the state subsumes the individual, government runs the economy (even if in a fascist state the means of production is left in private hands so long as they do as the government dictates), and the government itself is a dictatorship.

Monarchies are most likely akin to right-wing dictatorships. They gather all the money and power that they can. Some, like Englands, are benign, but wasteful.
A powerful ruler will almost always be corrupted, like Mussolini and Trump.
Fascism is absolutely not left.
Can rightys not see the difference between countries they label socialistic, like Scandanavian countries and the Mussolini type rule? Fascism is righty way righty.
Fascism is a marriage between corporate power and the government, through a powerful leader. That is what Trump and the Republican party were leaning towards.

[NiftyNiblick]

You are making a definist fallacy here. You cannot define something however you want and change that definition at will. I would ask you to define how fascism is on the Right in some sort of measurable terms against other political systems.

We could do that, completely ignoring a 100 year old convention, or we could save the trouble and put each other on ignore.

[PostmodernProphet]

Yep. But then again sometimes it doesn't work. I would go to my mom and ask if I could do something and she says go ask your dad! Then I asked dad and he says go ask your mom!

That's basically how the Congress works.

uh no, it isn't.......families are not governments and families are not socialist........

[PostmodernProphet]

We could do that, completely ignoring a 100 year old convention, or we could save the trouble and put each other on ignore.

there is no such 100 year old convention......there is only your ignorance.....

[T. A. Gardner]

We could do that, completely ignoring a 100 year old convention, or we could save the trouble and put each other on ignore.

I put no one on ignore. I don't believe in doing that no matter how disagreeable, stupid, or obnoxious someone is.

[Celticguy]

The leading candidate to be next mayor of Rome, Enrico Michetti, is in trouble for praising Hitler, saying “if a country slides into chaos, you need a strong man to restore order”. (How did that work out?)
He is heavily backed by the Brothers of Italy party, considered to be heirs of Italy’s fascist movement.

Mr Michetti is the candidate of the RIGHT.

I don’t know what to think! Is fascism left-wing as JPP righties tell us, or right-wing according to Italian fascists? And is War Peace, and Ignorance Strength?

If you incorrectly class it as left then you certainly will go along with ignorance is strength.
Calling it right is only intended to fool the ignorant and conceal the real goals.

[Matt Dillon]

Fascism is fascism, no matter where it is in a political spectrum.

Provide an example of fascism in America.