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    Despite the denials of the delusional, clearly the Republican Party, at best, is having severe problems. At worst, We, the People are seeing the fall of the Republican Party.

    In Woodward's book, Bill Barr recognized the problems and attempted to persuade Trump to temper the excesses and rhetoric to avoid driving away moderate Republicans and Independents. Trump refused and lost the election while the Republican Party moved further into Conspiracy Theory territory.

    Saying "78% of Republicans believe Biden didn't win the election" isn't as significant as it appears when people realize that Republicans only constitute 28% of the voters with less than 22% of voters believing in RWNJ conspiracy theories to "Stop the Steal".

    As JPP's Trumpers continue to push lies and conspiracy theories, sane people are re-evaluating their political affiliation. Despite Trump handing the Democrats the White House, the Senate and the House in 2020, the Republican Party continues to push anything Trump wants.

    These excesses are hamstringing the Republican Party at best and dooming it at worst. This, IMO, is bad for America since our nation is best when there is a sane conservative view in Congress. That sane conservative view is rare both in Congress and on JPP. This is not good for America, folks.

    Trumpers drinking the Kool-Aid are pushing sane conservatives away under the delusion that those sane conservatives will never, ever vote Democrat. While that part is probably true, what the Trumpers are not seeing is those same sane conservatives simply refusing to vote at all. Elections are about voter turnout and the current Republican Party is pushing conservatives to stay home in November 2022.


    Bill Barr was right about this
    According to Bob Woodward and Robert Costa in their tell-all book "Peril," Barr told Trump: "There are a lot of people out there, independents and Republicans in the suburbs of the critical states, that think you're an asshole" and "don't care about your fucking grievances." Barr went on and told the President that if he didn't soften his tone and turn his attention to concerns about Covid-19 and the economy, which these critical "swing" voters cared about most, he was going to lose the election.

    Trump, however, refused to pivot -- just like arch-conservative California recall candidate Larry Elder, who was similarly chastised by establishment Republicans who felt a moderate more in the mold of their party's last governor, Arnold Schwarzenegger, or Massachusetts' Charlie Baker and Vermont's Phil Scott, would have the necessary crossover appeal to have a shot in a Democratic state. And whether it was out of stubbornness or insensitivity or some other game plan, they paid a steep price for their insouciance.

    Trump and Elder reaffirmed -- for both parties -- that turning competitive suburbs from "purple" to "blue" is very bad for Republicans' business. As demographic shifts add to the Democratic advantage in these once-reliably Republican counties, such as Fairfax in Virginia and Montgomery and Delaware in Pennsylvania, alienating "swing" suburban voters could continue to cost them in national, state and local elections.

    These voters, especially in competitive states such as Pennsylvania, Michigan and North Carolina, remain the gatekeepers any presidential candidate must pass if they expect the keys to the White House. They also determine who bangs the gavel in the US House. Most of the 40 or so competitive districts are fought in the "Crabgrass Frontier" between city and country.

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    As long as they keep putting up whackadoodles and mini trumps , Americas middle will shun them
    Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind. Albert Einstein

    America's future is bright, not white



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    Well done.

    I'll put this here as it provides some added context from a former editor of Fox news interviewed on CNN.

    I don't think Trump took Barr's advice because 1. he cannot control the Frankenstein he made and 2. His goal was not governance, it
    was establishing his empire to exploit power of the government to fix his secret money problems.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/othe...?ocid=msedgntp

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    Mama's don't let your babies grow up to be Republicans!

    Don't ever let your children grow up to be racist, lying, self-centered, cynical, cheats!

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    The death of the Republican Party is GREAT for America


    They gave up on democracy decades ago


    The result will be the building of another party that is sane and loves America and democracy


    It’s happened before in this nations history


    We will shudder off this evil insane party and become the more liberal nation that we have been for decades


    THAT IS A GOOD THING

    Democracy works


    Let the people decide

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    The Republican Party benefits from its principle paradigm.

    A handful of well educated but morally deficient oligarchs know all the right buttons to press
    in order to get many, many uneducated and unsophisticated sycophants to do the former's bidding in direct conflict with the latter's best interests.

    As long as the most stupid Americans continue to breed, the GOP will be just fine.
    That's why I wish that the states in which they politically prevail were part of a different nation from mine.
    Patriotism is the last refuge of a a scoundrel. Samuel Johnson, 1775
    Religion....is the opiate of the people. Karl Marx, 1848

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geeko Sportivo View Post
    Mama's don't let your babies grow up to be Republicans!

    Don't ever let your children grow up to be racist, lying, self-centered, cynical, cheats!
    Here here


    Evil and lies are not good for children

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    The Republican Party benefits from its principle paradigm.

    A handful of well educated but morally deficient oligarchs know all the right buttons to press
    in order to get many, many uneducated and unsophisticated sycophants to do the former's bidding in direct conflict with the latter's best interests.

    As long as the most stupid Americans continue to breed, the GOP will be just fine.
    That's why I wish that the states in which they politically prevail were part of a different nation from mine.

    No way


    We are one


    The republicans are done


    Here comes the sun

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    Your unfounded optimism makes me nauseous, 'vince.

    You have a tendency to wildly underestimate the colossal stupidity of the American people.

    We are one my fat ass. We were NEVER one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Despite the denials of the delusional, clearly the Republican Party, at best, is having severe problems. At worst, We, the People are seeing the fall of the Republican Party.

    In Woodward's book, Bill Barr recognized the problems and attempted to persuade Trump to temper the excesses and rhetoric to avoid driving away moderate Republicans and Independents. Trump refused and lost the election while the Republican Party moved further into Conspiracy Theory territory.

    Saying "78% of Republicans believe Biden didn't win the election" isn't as significant as it appears when people realize that Republicans only constitute 28% of the voters with less than 22% of voters believing in RWNJ conspiracy theories to "Stop the Steal".

    As JPP's Trumpers continue to push lies and conspiracy theories, sane people are re-evaluating their political affiliation. Despite Trump handing the Democrats the White House, the Senate and the House in 2020, the Republican Party continues to push anything Trump wants.

    These excesses are hamstringing the Republican Party at best and dooming it at worst. This, IMO, is bad for America since our nation is best when there is a sane conservative view in Congress. That sane conservative view is rare both in Congress and on JPP. This is not good for America, folks.

    Trumpers drinking the Kool-Aid are pushing sane conservatives away under the delusion that those sane conservatives will never, ever vote Democrat. While that part is probably true, what the Trumpers are not seeing is those same sane conservatives simply refusing to vote at all. Elections are about voter turnout and the current Republican Party is pushing conservatives to stay home in November 2022.


    Bill Barr was right about this
    According to Bob Woodward and Robert Costa in their tell-all book "Peril," Barr told Trump: "There are a lot of people out there, independents and Republicans in the suburbs of the critical states, that think you're an asshole" and "don't care about your fucking grievances." Barr went on and told the President that if he didn't soften his tone and turn his attention to concerns about Covid-19 and the economy, which these critical "swing" voters cared about most, he was going to lose the election.

    Trump, however, refused to pivot -- just like arch-conservative California recall candidate Larry Elder, who was similarly chastised by establishment Republicans who felt a moderate more in the mold of their party's last governor, Arnold Schwarzenegger, or Massachusetts' Charlie Baker and Vermont's Phil Scott, would have the necessary crossover appeal to have a shot in a Democratic state. And whether it was out of stubbornness or insensitivity or some other game plan, they paid a steep price for their insouciance.

    Trump and Elder reaffirmed -- for both parties -- that turning competitive suburbs from "purple" to "blue" is very bad for Republicans' business. As demographic shifts add to the Democratic advantage in these once-reliably Republican counties, such as Fairfax in Virginia and Montgomery and Delaware in Pennsylvania, alienating "swing" suburban voters could continue to cost them in national, state and local elections.

    These voters, especially in competitive states such as Pennsylvania, Michigan and North Carolina, remain the gatekeepers any presidential candidate must pass if they expect the keys to the White House. They also determine who bangs the gavel in the US House. Most of the 40 or so competitive districts are fought in the "Crabgrass Frontier" between city and country.
    I don't know what will happen, but it is clear to me the Republicans have been flirting with disaster. The abortion ruling allowing the Texas law to stand is a blow to the Republicans. If the Supreme Court takes up the case and decides to strike down the Texas law before November of 2022, I think it breathes life back into the Republican party, because the more liberal voters will relax while the Republicans will scream to their social conservatives about how there is still more work to do.

    It remains to be seen how this plays out, but I think the Republican party is searching to regain what little of a soul it had.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Despite the denials of the delusional, clearly the Republican Party, at best, is having severe problems. At worst, We, the People are seeing the fall of the Republican Party.

    In Woodward's book, Bill Barr recognized the problems and attempted to persuade Trump to temper the excesses and rhetoric to avoid driving away moderate Republicans and Independents. Trump refused and lost the election while the Republican Party moved further into Conspiracy Theory territory.

    Saying "78% of Republicans believe Biden didn't win the election" isn't as significant as it appears when people realize that Republicans only constitute 28% of the voters with less than 22% of voters believing in RWNJ conspiracy theories to "Stop the Steal".

    As JPP's Trumpers continue to push lies and conspiracy theories, sane people are re-evaluating their political affiliation. Despite Trump handing the Democrats the White House, the Senate and the House in 2020, the Republican Party continues to push anything Trump wants.

    These excesses are hamstringing the Republican Party at best and dooming it at worst. This, IMO, is bad for America since our nation is best when there is a sane conservative view in Congress. That sane conservative view is rare both in Congress and on JPP. This is not good for America, folks.

    Trumpers drinking the Kool-Aid are pushing sane conservatives away under the delusion that those sane conservatives will never, ever vote Democrat. While that part is probably true, what the Trumpers are not seeing is those same sane conservatives simply refusing to vote at all. Elections are about voter turnout and the current Republican Party is pushing conservatives to stay home in November 2022.


    Bill Barr was right about this
    According to Bob Woodward and Robert Costa in their tell-all book "Peril," Barr told Trump: "There are a lot of people out there, independents and Republicans in the suburbs of the critical states, that think you're an asshole" and "don't care about your fucking grievances." Barr went on and told the President that if he didn't soften his tone and turn his attention to concerns about Covid-19 and the economy, which these critical "swing" voters cared about most, he was going to lose the election.

    Trump, however, refused to pivot -- just like arch-conservative California recall candidate Larry Elder, who was similarly chastised by establishment Republicans who felt a moderate more in the mold of their party's last governor, Arnold Schwarzenegger, or Massachusetts' Charlie Baker and Vermont's Phil Scott, would have the necessary crossover appeal to have a shot in a Democratic state. And whether it was out of stubbornness or insensitivity or some other game plan, they paid a steep price for their insouciance.

    Trump and Elder reaffirmed -- for both parties -- that turning competitive suburbs from "purple" to "blue" is very bad for Republicans' business. As demographic shifts add to the Democratic advantage in these once-reliably Republican counties, such as Fairfax in Virginia and Montgomery and Delaware in Pennsylvania, alienating "swing" suburban voters could continue to cost them in national, state and local elections.

    These voters, especially in competitive states such as Pennsylvania, Michigan and North Carolina, remain the gatekeepers any presidential candidate must pass if they expect the keys to the White House. They also determine who bangs the gavel in the US House. Most of the 40 or so competitive districts are fought in the "Crabgrass Frontier" between city and country.
    I agree with your point, that I had not really considered, that as vocal as the Retrumplicans are, they lost all three branches of government. That is telling.

    They cant shake the stink of Trumpism before 2022, but if they nominate someone more akin to Nikki Haley in 2024 they will regain their old place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by guno View Post
    As long as they keep putting up whackadoodles and mini trumps , Americas middle will shun them
    Agreed. Right now I think anyone who leans right like myself is also leaning toward a big WTF when looking at what passes for the Republican Party 2021.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geeko Sportivo View Post
    Mama's don't let your babies grow up to be Republicans!
    ????....demmycrats don't even let babies grow up!....
    Isaiah 6:5
    “Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    ????....demmycrats don't even let babies grow up!....
    My three are growing up nicely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    I don't know what will happen, but it is clear to me the Republicans have been flirting with disaster. The abortion ruling allowing the Texas law to stand is a blow to the Republicans. If the Supreme Court takes up the case and decides to strike down the Texas law before November of 2022, I think it breathes life back into the Republican party, because the more liberal voters will relax while the Republicans will scream to their social conservatives about how there is still more work to do.




    It remains to be seen how this plays out, but I think the Republican party is searching to regain what little of a soul it had.




    It’s soul died when the did the southern strategy


    This generation never came with a soul

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