For the anti-maskers, this is the real child abuse

[Into the Night]

The study, out of Arizona, is the third type of lie. It is horribly retched statistics. The researchers looked at schools only in Pima and Maricopa counties, the two urban counties in the state. It counted as a Chinese Disease outbreak any case over the 14 day period studied of two or more cases in a school as one. It didn't control for what students did outside of school, nor did it control for variations in masking policy. If the school required masks, even with an opt out policy, the school was counted as requiring masks--even if a majority of students opted out.
Essentially, the study is meaningless and likely wouldn't even have been published had the "researchers"--I use that term loosely--not gotten the result they wanted...

They also just made a whole lot of shit up.

Covid19 does not kill.

[Into the Night]

It is sad that rightys will risk their kids lives to back Trump lies. You would think a caring parent would error the side of caution. I am pretty sure my kid is safe from Cobvid, but just in case. I will mask him.

Supporting child abuse. Paradox M. Masks are completely ineffective against a virus.

[AProudLefty]

RQAA. Trolling.

I don't get you. What are you doing?

[T. A. Gardner]

That is the only difference. Schools that mandate masks have fewer Covid cases and therefore less sick kids. https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2...l-masking.html That convinces me . I would not send my kid to an unmasking school.
i have posted a few studies lately that show masks work. Logic is on the side of masks.

You obviously didn't bother to read any of those reports. I've discussed the first at some length already. This is that one from Arizona:

Association Between K–12 School Mask Policies and School-Associated COVID-19 Outbreaks — Maricopa and Pima Counties, Arizona, July–August 2021

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/...cid=mm7039e1_w

It covers a 14 day period and any outbreak of Chinese Disease where two or more cases occurred was counted as an outbreak. Variations in masking policies were not taken into account and no outside variables controlled for. It's a crap study.

The second is this one:

Pediatric COVID-19 Cases in Counties With and Without School Mask Requirements — United States, July 1–September 4, 2021

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/...cid=mm7039e3_w

At least this one admits it's not useful as a basis for decision making:

The findings in this report are subject to at least four limitations. First, this was an ecologic study, and causation cannot be inferred. Second, pediatric COVID-19 case counts and rates included all cases in children and adolescents aged <18 years; later analyses will focus on cases in school-age children and adolescents. Third, county-level teacher vaccination rate and school testing data were not controlled for in the analyses; later analyses will control for these covariates. Finally, because of the small sample size of counties selected for the analysis, the findings might not be generalizable.

The third and final one has nothing to do with masking whatsoever:

COVID-19–Related School Closures and Learning Modality Changes — United States, August 1–September 17, 2021

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/...cid=mm7039e2_w

So, there is no useful evidence that masks actually work or reduce the occurrence of Chinese Disease but rather two small studies that might indicate there is some utility but cannot be sure. That is, mask mandates in schools at this point are a SWAGPOOYA and not science.

[Into the Night]

I don't get you. What are you doing?

I don't get you. What are you doing?

Oh...that's right...nothing but trolling. Same old Lefty.

[AProudLefty]

I don't get you. What are you doing?

Oh...that's right...nothing but trolling. Same old Lefty.

So you're a parrot like in your avatar?

[Nordberg]

Supporting child abuse. Paradox M. Masks are completely ineffective against a virus.

Study after study shows that belief is absolutely wrong. Masks work.

[Nordberg]

You obviously didn't bother to read any of those reports. I've discussed the first at some length already. This is that one from Arizona:


https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/...cid=mm7039e1_w

It covers a 14 day period and any outbreak of Chinese Disease where two or more cases occurred was counted as an outbreak. Variations in masking policies were not taken into account and no outside variables controlled for. It's a crap study.

The second is this one:

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/...cid=mm7039e3_w

At least this one admits it's not useful as a basis for decision making:


The third and final one has nothing to do with masking whatsoever:

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/...cid=mm7039e2_w

So, there is no useful evidence that masks actually work or reduce the occurrence of Chinese Disease but rather two small studies that might indicate there is some utility but cannot be sure. That is, mask mandates in schools at this point are a SWAGPOOYA and not science.

Typical righty. https://today.duke.edu/2021/06/resea...ission-schools There are plenty of studies showing they work. As a parent, I would want my kid and his school masked. I prefer safety over amateur certainty. Yeah, it is science and experiment that shows it.

[Into the Night]

Study after study shows that belief is absolutely wrong. Masks work.

You can't cancel the N95 specification with 'studies'. Masks are completely ineffective against a virus. A study is not a proof.

[Into the Night]

Typical righty. https://today.duke.edu/2021/06/resea...ission-schools There are plenty of studies showing they work. As a parent, I would want my kid and his school masked. I prefer safety over amateur certainty. Yeah, it is science and experiment that shows it.

Pascal's Wager fallacy. Studies are not a proof. Science is not a study or research. Science is a set of falsifiable theories. Buzzword fallacies. False authority fallacy. Supporting child abuse.

[T. A. Gardner]

Typical righty. https://today.duke.edu/2021/06/resea...ission-schools There are plenty of studies showing they work. As a parent, I would want my kid and his school masked. I prefer safety over amateur certainty. Yeah, it is science and experiment that shows it.

Fine mask your kid but don't tell me masks work and there's solid proof. There isn't. The amateur certainty is these crap so-called studies that get cited. There are few studies that actually look at masks versus no masks in Chinese Disease transmission and the few out there show they make next to zero difference. There are lots and lots of laboratory studies that say they work, but those are meaningless given the results of the studies in practice.

But like I said, wear one 24/7 if you want, just don't demand I wear one.

[Nordberg]

You can't cancel the N95 specification with 'studies'. Masks are completely ineffective against a virus. A study is not a proof.

It is a scientific study that accumulates numbers and draws conclusions from them. It is very strong evidence that a reasonable person would accept. They draw scientific conclusions that cannot be disputed.

[Nordberg]

Fine mask your kid but don't tell me masks work and there's solid proof. There isn't. The amateur certainty is these crap so-called studies that get cited. There are few studies that actually look at masks versus no masks in Chinese Disease transmission and the few out there show they make next to zero difference. There are lots and lots of laboratory studies that say they work, but those are meaningless given the results of the studies in practice.

But like I said, wear one 24/7 if you want, just don't demand I wear one.

there is clear evidence as the studies show. I hope you do wear one. It is safer for you and your family. I would have forced masking at schools. If you pick up your kid and step out of the car, then wear a mask.

[T. A. Gardner]

there is clear evidence as the studies show. I hope you do wear one. It is safer for you and your family. I would have forced masking at schools. If you pick up your kid and step out of the car, then wear a mask.

I haven't worn a mask since day one of this nonsense. I've made a few grudging exceptions just to avoid conflict, but that's it. I'm not about to start now, and if you don't like it keep it to yourself.

[AProudLefty]