cancel2 2022 (09-26-2021), Stretch (09-27-2021)
DID THE HO APPEAR IN PERSON OR ON A VIDEO ???
From the OP article ...
Of the 999 kindergarten through 12th-grade public schools included in the analysis, 191 reported outbreaks of the virus, which were defined as two or more confirmed cases among students or staff within a 14-day period and at least seven days after in-person learning started, the agency said.
Among the schools with outbreaks, 113 did not have masking requirements
So roughly ten percent of the schools with no mask requirement had an outbreak of at least 2 individuals ...
Where were those 113 ???
How many had newly arrived illegal students ???
cancel2 2022 (09-26-2021), Stretch (09-27-2021)
(from the cited article)Compared to villages that didn't mask, those where masks of any type were worn had about 9% fewer symptomatic cases of COVID-19. The finding was statistically significant and was unlikely to have occurred by chance alone.
"Somebody could read this study and say, 'OK, you reduced COVID-19 by 9%. Big deal.'
Big deal. It's probably less...
cancel2 2022 (09-26-2021)
You're so full of shit, wake the fuck up!!!
https://fortune.com/2021/08/12/as-de...-from-england/
As Delta infections spiked, COVID cases in schools actually fell—a lesson from England
By
Sophie Mellor
For parents wary of sending their kids off to school, here’s a rare bit of comforting data: Fewer than one in 100 school students and staff in England tested positive for COVID-19 in June. And the capper: There was no mask mandate in the schools at the time. That wasn’t just a noticeable drop from last autumn, it also came as Delta variant cases were peaking across not just England, but the whole of the United Kingdom.
The data comes from a study conducted by the U.K.’s Office for National Statistics (ONS), showing infection rates were lower in children attending school than in the greater population, suggesting that the great reopening of schools in September will not necessarily bring about another new wave of infections. An estimated 0.27% of elementary school students, 0.42% of middle to high school students, and 0.27% of teachers tested positive for COVID-19 between June 14 and July 6. This is compared with autumn 2020, when around 1% of elementary school students and staff tested positive, while 1.22% of high school students and 1.64% of staff tested positive.
The ONS chalks up the drop in cases to “school gate” measures as well as the asymptomatic testing program, which required students to test themselves twice a week. That succeeded in keeping a higher number of COVID-19 infected students out of school, thus reducing the risk of infection.
Won’t be so easy this fall
However, things are due to change as the Boris Johnson government recently dropped its “bubble” rule, which had placed kids in consistent groups throughout classes and required that the whole group go home and self-isolate whenever one member of the bubble tested positive for COVID-19. Come September, schoolkids in England are free to mix and mingle as they did before the pandemic.
The English government has informed schools they may reintroduce bubbles in the autumn term, but it sounds as if they’d really prefer not to, saying any decision to revert to bubbles “would not be taken lightly.” Despite the uncertain guidance, the latest is still highly significant for a country that has been particularly hard hit by the Delta variant. Furthermore, the U.K. is still not vaccinating children below the age of 15.
This is an “optimistic sign for those who want to convince parents and health ministers that it is safe to send kids back to school” next month, Jim Reid, a research strategist at [hotlink]Deutsche Bank,[/hotlink] wrote in an investor note this morning.
Mixed messages from the U.S.
The U.K., which was one the first countries to be hit hard by the Delta variant, has been viewed of late as a kind of case study in how the latest wave will progress elsewhere. As such, economists, public health officials, and educators the world over are watching the English—and wider U.K.—numbers with particular interest.
For the United States, the lessons learned from England may not be so applicable. In each of the 50 states, the policies around school reopenings this fall vary widely.
For example, Hawaii Gov. David Ige announced last week that all Department of Education staffers would be required to disclose their vaccination status or face weekly testing. California took it a step further, mandating yesterday that all staff who work in both public and private schools must be vaccinated or test routinely for the virus, Gov. Gavin Newsom announced.
On the other end of the spectrum is Florida. Despite the Centers for Disease Control recommending mask wearing in all U.S. schools, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis has taken guidance in the opposite direction, banning school districts from instituting a mask mandate. Most parents in the U.S. support masking kids in school. Some 63% of U.S. parents believe that schools should require indoor masking for students and staff who are unvaccinated, according to a survey by health care think tank Kaiser Family Foundation. However, unvaccinated adults are very wary of giving their child a COVID-19 vaccine, and around 5% of vaccinated parents say they “definitely” won’t vaccinate their children before school begins, while another 23% want to “wait and see” before making a decision.
The back and forth of testing and masks comes as Moderna announced plans to double the size of its under-12 vaccine trial, after U.S. regulators requested additional safety data.
Last edited by cancel2 2022; 09-26-2021 at 11:54 PM.
Stretch (09-27-2021)
Stretch (09-27-2021)
Pretty much. Arizona has no obligation to school those here that are criminals and have no right to be here on the public dime. In fact in the Ajo school district here, it used to be Mexican nationals in Sonora Mexico were sending their kids across the border to Ajo's public schools to get an education. They weren't even illegally in the country, just sending their kids over to get a free and better education funded entirely by US taxpayers...
Why should US taxpayers have to foot the bill to education foreign nationals?
TRUE
Now let us look at the numbers in the report ...
Of the 999 kindergarten through 12th-grade public schools included in the analysis, 191 reported outbreaks of the virus, which were defined as two or more confirmed cases among students or staff within a 14-day period and at least seven days after in-person learning started, the agency said.
Data were available for 1,020 of 1,041 (98.0%) K–12 public noncharter schools in Maricopa and Pima counties.
Am I the only person to see that there is something not quite correct here ???
Now let us look at definitions ...
Yeah ... "two or more" ... How many more and how many only two ???
If you weasel word your statements enough you can distort the truth.
EVER HEAR OF ... "THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH" ???
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evince (09-27-2021)
Hello T. A. Gardner,
But a State is certainly within it's right to require a proof of vaccination to participate in any public social interaction with others.
If an unvaccinated individual travels to a State with vaccination requirements, they would have a difficult time even getting food if it requires going in a store or restaurant.
Would a State be within it's right to set up checkpoints at all borders and points of entry to require proof of vaccination? Could be an interesting case if a State did that.
It could also lead to a State completely eliminating COVID if they successfully did so.
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I think the answer there is no, as interstate commerce is impacted, and that's a Federal issue. There can however be quarantine requirements in a state. That's a start, and it doesn't run afoul of Federal Law. Bottom line though, we need to vaccinate. And we have a death cult that refuses to do so. They must be isolated and prevented from infecting the rest of us.
PoliTalker (09-27-2021)
Hello Concart,
I'd be curious what law or part of the Constitution would prevent a State from setting up vaccination checkpoints at borders. It's not like they are going to prevent entry. They would merely be requiring proof of vaccination. A state may require vaccination of all persons, according to Supreme Court Jacobson decision in 1905.
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This is just typical data manipulation to achieve a predetermined end to a "study." They won't include the raw data because it would undermine the study, so all they include is a summary of what they supposedly found. This is a pretty common scheme to make it look like they did some professional well thought out study when they are really selling you snake oil. In the text, they'll toss in some buzz words and statistics terms to sound all intellectual... "We did a double regression of the data verifying it with a chi-square test..." that sort of thing.
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