Why do progressives have to learn things that should be so obvious?

[Darth Omar]

Question: if you defund the cops what will be the result?

A) more crime

B) idk, Kumbaya maybe

Unbelievably, progressives are unsure of the answer to that question so they need to run an experiment to find out. The same thing is going on with guaranteed income. If you pay people to stay home what will be the result? Do we really need to run an experiment to find out?

Guaranteed income would be great. Who really wants to drag ass out of bed and go to work everyday? Unless you’re lucky enough to be retired with a pension [that’s different because it’s earned] or have a job you like *then exactly no one* wants to drag ass out of bed and go to work.

The term for this ‘human nature’ and progressives somehow manage to be ignorant of it.

[Jade Dragon]

[martin]

Where would you be if you couldn't generalize? Few progressives ever favored disbanding police departments by removing their funding and I doubt many have even heard of Yang's idea.

[Earl]

What if everyone (except the few who enjoy getting up every morning and going to work) decides to stay home and draw the guaranteed income. Who pays to fund that income?

From defunding the police to guaranteed income, the far left loons should be institutionalized.

[Earl]

Where would you be if you couldn't generalize? Few progressives ever favored disbanding police departments by removing their funding and I doubt many have even heard of Yang's idea.

The people in Phoenix have heard of it...many in Congress want it, too.

[Darth Omar]

Where would you be if you couldn't generalize? Few progressives ever favored disbanding police departments by removing their funding and I doubt many have even heard of Yang's idea.

You never heard of defunding cops, guaranteed income, $15 minimum wage? You advocate against them all?

[midcan5]

I would be called a progressive and I am never angry, it ain't in me. I am critical and not PC, but that's that. My assumption on topic differs, I find American conservatives full of hate, much involves change or the other - seen as an enemy. The sky is always falling for the conservative. Divisiveness fuels the right, you see that in the hatred of some of the new congress women for instance. It appears to be a personality difference. Liberals are open, Conservatives closed. Lots of studies on that assumption or fact? This history convers the topic well.

"With engaging wit and subtle irony, Albert Hirschman maps the diffuse and treacherous world of reactionary rhetoric in which conservative public figures, thinkers, and polemicists have been arguing against progressive agendas and reforms for the past two hundred years.

"Hirschman draws his examples from three successive waves of reactive thought that arose in response to the liberal ideas of the French Revolution and the Declaration of the Rights of Man, to democratization and the drive toward universal suffrage in the nineteenth century, and to the welfare state in our own century. In each case he identifies three principal arguments invariably used: (1) the perversity thesis, whereby any action to improve some feature of the political, social, or economic order is alleged to result in the exact opposite of what was intended; (2) the futility thesis, which predicts that attempts at social transformation will produce no effects whatever—will simply be incapable of making a dent in the status quo; (3) the jeopardy thesis, holding that the cost of the proposed reform is unacceptable because it will endanger previous hard-won accomplishments. He illustrates these propositions by citing writers across the centuries from Alexis de Tocqueville to George Stigler, Herbert Spencer to Jay Forrester, Edmund Burke to Charles Murray. Finally, in a lightning turnabout, he shows that progressives are frequently apt to employ closely related rhetorical postures, which are as biased as their reactionary counterparts. For those who aspire to the genuine dialogue that characterizes a truly democratic society, Hirschman points out that both types of rhetoric function, in effect, as contraptions designed to make debate impossible. In the process, his book makes an original contribution to democratic thought."

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...c_of_Reaction?

[martin]

You never heard of defunding cops, guaranteed income, $15 minimum wage? You advocate against them all?

Show us a poll that supports your defunding/progressives claim.

Is Yang's proposal a $15 minimum wage? Not what you said the first time.

[Earl]

Show us a poll that supports your defunding/progressives claim.

Is Yang's proposal a $15 minimum wage? Not what you said the first time.

Son, read the thread, “Phoenix to test Andrew Yang's universal basic income idea in new federally funded pilot
Lottery-based pilot will give Phoenix families $1,000 in taxpayer funding a month in 2022.”

[Earl]

Darth, the futility of informing and educating these far left loons is obvious.

Hopefully, the “guests” are better educated...and informed.

[martin]

Son, read the thread, “Phoenix to test Andrew Yang's universal basic income idea in new federally funded pilot
Lottery-based pilot will give Phoenix families $1,000 in taxpayer funding a month in 2022.”

I read it. The point that escapes you (as usual in your dotage) is that the article doesn't match what was claimed in reference to the article.

[Earl]

I read it. The point that escapes you (as usual in your dotage) is that the article doesn't match what was claimed in reference to the article.

Yes, it does, Marty:

“The Phoenix City Council has approved the $12 million “Financial Assistance for Phoenix Families Program,” a lottery-based program that will begin in January 2022, if not sooner.

The concept of universal basic income was popularized during the 2020 presidential campaign by unsuccessful Democratic candidate Andrew Yang, who called it a Freedom Dividend,

The program will send 1,000 families a monthly stipend of $1,000 for all of 2022. According to a city document, the funds would be limited toward “basic household necessities” such as housing, childcare, food and other staples.

The city would load money onto a debit card that wouldn’t allow the purchase of a list of forbidden items like alcohol and tobacco.

All low-income families making up to 80% of the area median income – a sliding scale that would be just over $63,000 for a family of four – would be eligible. A representative of the city said in the Tuesday session that anyone on public assistance, in public housing, or receiving public housing vouchers would qualify.

“We’ve seen a lot of cities across the country doing this direct assistance and I’m glad that we’ll be joining them in giving money to folks,” Vice Mayor Carlos Garcia said. “It’s not just for rent or utilities, but if they do have child care needs, if they do have to get medicine, whatever it is, I think people know best what their needs are.”

Dotage indeed.

[Earl]

Here, Marty, put your glasses on:
Marty- “I doubt many have even heard of Yang's idea.”


“We’ve seen a lot of cities across the country doing this direct assistance and I’m glad that we’ll be joining them in giving money to folks,” Vice Mayor Carlos Garcia said. “It’s not just for rent or utilities, but if they do have child care needs, if they do have to get medicine, whatever it is, I think people know best what their needs are.”

[Earl]

Marty, come out from underneath your desk.

[cancel2 2022]

This from a guy that's never worked a day in his life!!