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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Not true, faith falls exactly into Plato's realm of concepts, in fact, he has God as its' highest point
    Where does Plato talk about faith? Again, I don't think you ever read Plato.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Third is God as creator or God as a being.
    A creator makes the world itself. God as a being is not the cause of the universe.
    why can't a "being" be a creator.......are you restricting "being" to a material entity?......
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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    No. Atheism was defined by monotheists as not believing in their God.
    ?....atheists were not defined by monotheists......if anything, the definition dates back to the Greeks who were polytheists.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    From early Catholic theology like St Anselm, Augustine, Thomas.
    They privileged believing in God as the essential feature of theology and religion.
    Anyone not believing in their God was an atheist (not a term they used).
    Augustine and Thomas couldn't be further apart, as I pointed out to you before, Augustine was totally Platonic in his theology, he never tried to rationalize God or religion. On the other hand, Thomas, who was Aristotelian, thru his Scholasticism, believed you could explain God thru reason, thus we have the Prime Mover etc arguments. Thusly, Augustine could care less if you believed in God, he felt you either did or you didn't, which was why Thomas felt the need to go further

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Where does Plato talk about faith? Again, I don't think you ever read Plato.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    why can't a "being" be a creator.......are you restricting "being" to a material entity?......
    I was distinguishing the idea that God can exist as a being but without being the creator of the universe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Augustine and Thomas couldn't be further apart, as I pointed out to you before
    I never discussed Augustine with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    I was distinguishing the idea that God can exist as a being but without being the creator of the universe.
    your statement excludes the possibility of a creator as "being"....but there is nothing to case that exclusion......

    God as a being is not the cause of the universe.
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    Apatheism (/ˌpəˈθiːɪzəm/;[citation needed] a portmanteau of apathy and theism) is the attitude of apathy towards the existence or non-existence of God(s). It is more of an attitude rather than a belief, claim, or belief system.[1][2][3] The term was coined by Robert Nash in 2001.[4]

    An apatheist is someone who is not interested in accepting or rejecting any claims that gods exist or do not exist. The existence of a god or gods is not rejected, but may be designated irrelevant.[5] One of the first recorded apatheists was arguably Denis Diderot (1713 - 1784), who wrote: "It is very important not to mistake hemlock for parsley, but to believe or not believe in God is not important at all."

    Scientist and philosopher Ian von Hegner has argued that apatheism is an alternative to positions such as theism, atheism, and agnosticism, with implications that have been overlooked in modern philosophical discussions.[5] Philosopher Trevor Hedberg has called apatheism "uncharted territory in the philosophy of religion."[1] Political theorist and constitutional law scholar, Adam Scott Kunz, has further defined apatheism as "the philosophical attitude of indifference, both public and private, to (1) the question of the existence of a deity, (2) the metaphysical and practical value of loyalty to that deity, and/or (3) the interaction of that deity with the natural world."[3]


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    two words in that article perfectly describe the lunacy of leftie mentality...........'light pollution'
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    i guess you're just that dumb to not understand how light isn't pollution
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    NOISE isn't pollution, twit. it's simply a disturbance. the continual redefinition of words because a group of people feel threatened is among the stupidest things you fuckers have handed down to younger generations

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    To name god is not God.
    "Unvaccinated people are potential variant factories," Dr. William Schaffner, a professor in the Division of Infectious Diseases at Vanderbilt University Medical Center,

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    your statement excludes the possibility of a creator as "being"....but there is nothing to case that exclusion......
    Sorry, did not understand that. Simply put, God can be described as a creator or not a creator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    [I]Apatheism (/ˌpəˈθiːɪzəm/;[citation needed] a portmanteau of apathy and theism) is the attitude of apathy towards the existence or non-existence of God(s). It is more of an attitude rather than a belief, claim, or belief system.
    Yes, good term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    To name god is not God.
    Yes, so say mystics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    your statement excludes the possibility of a creator as "being"....but there is nothing to case that exclusion......
    Many Founding Fathers were deists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    two words in that article perfectly describe the lunacy of leftie mentality...........'light pollution'
    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    i guess you're just that dumb to not understand how light isn't pollution
    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    NOISE isn't pollution, twit. it's simply a disturbance. the continual redefinition of words because a group of people feel threatened is among the stupidest things you fuckers have handed down to younger generations

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