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    Default Conservatives: you are losing the GOP

    We need a strong 2-party system in America. We should have even more than that - but we need at least 2.

    I'm sure the GOP will win the mid-terms. But the party itself is going down the rabbit hole, rapidly. Trump is still very involved w/ party leadership and plays a significant role in determining the candidates we'll see for the House and Senate. "The Big Lie" has become the main qualifier for any prospective candidate, and even for incumbents to keep their positions.

    And we're seeing quite a few reasonable Republicans decide it's no longer for them. These aren't "moderates" or "Rinos" - many are real conservatives, who don't want any part of conspiracies and lies, and just want to get back to good governance and conservative principles. They're being replaced by people on the fringes (trying to be polite here). These are not people who are interested in the country succeeding as it is currently structured.

    And we're headed toward the equivalent of fight club in Congress, every day. Grandstanding and trying to get headlines instead of working for the people.

    When Liz Cheney can't fist bump the President of the United States without talk radio and twitter erupting in fury, we're in trouble. The GOP needs to find itself again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    We need a strong 2-party system in America. We should have even more than that - but we need at least 2.

    I'm sure the GOP will win the mid-terms. But the party itself is going down the rabbit hole, rapidly. Trump is still very involved w/ party leadership and plays a significant role in determining the candidates we'll see for the House and Senate. "The Big Lie" has become the main qualifier for any prospective candidate, and even for incumbents to keep their positions.

    And we're seeing quite a few reasonable Republicans decide it's no longer for them. These aren't "moderates" or "Rinos" - many are real conservatives, who don't want any part of conspiracies and lies, and just want to get back to good governance and conservative principles. They're being replaced by people on the fringes (trying to be polite here). These are not people who are interested in the country succeeding as it is currently structured.

    And we're headed toward the equivalent of fight club in Congress, every day. Grandstanding and trying to get headlines instead of working for the people.

    When Liz Cheney can't fist bump the President of the United States without talk radio and twitter erupting in fury, we're in trouble. The GOP needs to find itself again.
    They aren’t losing the party, it has already been lost, the Republican Party today is Trump. It has no ideals, no principles, no doctrine, no ideology or policies, it is just Trump, what Trump says and does is the GOP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    They aren’t losing the party, it has already been lost, the Republican Party today is Trump. It has no ideals, no principles, no doctrine, no ideology or policies, it is just Trump, what Trump says and does is the GOP.
    It is worse than that. Trump is just a clown doing the blocking for the real TD play. The wealthy are recreating America into a plutocracy. It will be run by the super-wealthy as they wish. It has taken them a long time, but the wealthy have lots of time. Their children will rule. The cabal includes huge names in American history. They started the John Birch society to use the news to promote the end of American democracy. They bought the press, newspapers, TV stations, movies studios, and magazines. Through their corporations, they are the media.
    The playbook includes keeping the masses separate and fighting each other. Then all they need is to control one at a time. Dems hate rights. Repubs hate everyone. Blacks hate the establishment that has a foot on their neck. They do not know they have a common enemy that has already won.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    They aren’t losing the party, it has already been lost, the Republican Party today is Trump. It has no ideals, no principles, no doctrine, no ideology or policies, it is just Trump, what Trump says and does is the GOP.
    Nifty caricature lol.

    Try telling folks in the Rio Grande valley that MAGA is ‘just Trump’. Then prepare to duck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    Nifty caricature lol.

    Try telling folks in the Rio Grande valley that MAGA is ‘just Trump’. Then prepare to duck.
    border are Dem mayors -they excoriate Biden, as does Cuellar (D.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    Nifty caricature lol.

    Try telling folks in the Rio Grande valley that MAGA is ‘just Trump’. Then prepare to duck.
    Totally irrelevant, in fact, the GOP view, your view, on anything in the Rio Grande valley originates with Trump, if he said tomorrow that the situation was well under control you would be here defending what he said

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    They aren’t losing the party, it has already been lost, the Republican Party today is Trump. It has no ideals, no principles, no doctrine, no ideology or policies, it is just Trump, what Trump says and does is the GOP.
    Agree. Trump bottom to top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    They aren’t losing the party, it has already been lost, the Republican Party today is Trump. It has no ideals, no principles, no doctrine, no ideology or policies, it is just Trump, what Trump says and does is the GOP.
    It IS Trump's party in the fact that economic nationalism ( America first) and secure borders
    are a commonality.
    But warpigs like Liz Cheney and david Frum, and George Will are all yours

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    It IS Trump's party in the fact that economic nationalism ( America first) and secure borders
    are a commonality.
    But warpigs like Liz Cheney and david Frum, and George Will are all yours
    Economic nationalism and secure borders are talking points that have been around long before Trump, and will continue long after Trump, all he did was demagogue the terms to serve his purpose

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Economic nationalism and secure borders are talking points that have been around long before Trump, and will continue long after Trump, all he did was demagogue the terms to serve his purpose
    no they arent "talking points" its real world like REMAIN in Mexico and building a wall.
    It's confronting Chinese malign trade - the bilateral was working -but COVID ended it

    What is Biden doing? open borders and basing his foreign policy on Human Rights
    instead of realpolitik

    Biden (the globalist) looks to Europe to partner to stop Chinese hegemony -
    the EU just laughs at him and doe their own deals. Biden does everything BUT put the USA needs first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    no they arent "talking points" its real world like REMAIN in Mexico and building a wall.
    It's confronting Chinese malign trade - the bilateral was working -but COVID ended it

    What is Biden doing? open borders and basing his foreign policy on Human Rights
    instead of realpolitik

    Biden (the globalist) looks to Europe to partner to stop Chinese hegemony -
    the EU just laughs at him and doe their own deals. Biden does everything BUT put the USA needs first.
    Sure they are, how much of that wall was actually built? Not repaired, but actual new construction? And who paid for it as opposed to who was suppose to pay for it? Talking points, in fact, Trump had zero interest in the border until Bannon told him it was an issue he could manipulate

    And Biden is confronting China in realistic means, quietly, meaning not running to Fox, did you think the submarine deal that pissed off France was because they could get a better deal? Trump talked the game, got his tough guy image all over Fox, but in reality, did little substantially, did you think the trade embargos really punished China, Americans paid for them. China just went about their business securing individual trade agreements worldwide while extending their influence across the Globe

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    It IS Trump's party in the fact that economic nationalism
    Trump and Conservatism's "economic nationalism" ended the longest economic expansion in America's history.

    It's official: Recession began in February, ending longest U.S. expansion ever
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/united-...rted-february/
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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    They aren’t losing the party, it has already been lost, the Republican Party today is Trump. It has no ideals, no principles, no doctrine, no ideology or policies, it is just Trump, what Trump says and does is the GOP.
    I don't think you can post without lying and looking like a moron. What ideas and principles does the Democratic Party of the Jackass bring to the table. other than FREE stuff, abortions and power grabbing?

    I wish you could be less of a partisan hack moron, really I do.


    Republican Agenda:

    JOBS


    Create 10 Million New Jobs in 10 Months
    Create 1 Million New Small Businesses
    Cut Taxes to Boost Take-Home Pay and Keep Jobs in America
    Enact Fair Trade Deals that Protect American Jobs
    'Made in America' Tax Credits
    Expand Opportunity Zones
    Continue Deregulatory Agenda for Energy Independence

    ERADICATE COVID-19

    Develop a Vaccine by The End Of 2020
    Return to Normal in 2021
    Make All Critical Medicines and Supplies for Healthcare Workers in The United States
    Refill Stockpiles and Prepare for Future Pandemics

    END OUR RELIANCE ON CHINA

    Bring Back 1 Million Manufacturing Jobs from China
    Tax Credits for Companies that Bring Back Jobs from China
    Allow 100% Expensing Deductions for Essential Industries like Pharmaceuticals and Robotics who Bring *Back their Manufacturing to the United States
    No Federal Contracts for Companies who Outsource to China
    Hold China Fully Accountable for Allowing the Virus to Spread around the World

    HEALTHCARE

    Cut Prescription Drug Prices
    Put Patients and Doctors Back in Charge of our Healthcare System
    Lower Healthcare Insurance Premiums
    End Surprise Billing
    Cover All Pre-Existing Conditions
    Protect Social Security and Medicare
    Protect Our Veterans and Provide World-Class Healthcare and Services

    EDUCATION

    Provide School Choice to Every Child in America
    Teach American Exceptionalism

    DRAIN THE SWAMP

    Pass Congressional Term Limits
    End Bureaucratic Government Bullying of U.S. Citizens and Small Businesses
    Expose Washington’s Money Trail and Delegate Powers Back to People and States
    Drain the Globalist Swamp by Taking on International Organizations That Hurt American Citizens

    DEFEND OUR POLICE

    Fully Fund and Hire More Police and Law Enforcement Officers
    Increase Criminal Penalties for Assaults on Law Enforcement Officers
    Prosecute Drive-By Shootings as Acts of Domestic Terrorism
    Bring Violent Extremist Groups Like ANTIFA to Justice
    End Cashless Bail and Keep Dangerous Criminals Locked Up until Trial

    END ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AND PROTECT AMERICAN WORKERS

    Block Illegal Immigrants from Becoming Eligible for Taxpayer-Funded Welfare, Healthcare, and Free College Tuition
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    End Sanctuary Cities to Restore our Neighborhoods and Protect our Families
    Prohibit American Companies from Replacing United States Citizens with Lower-Cost Foreign Workers
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    Stop Endless Wars and Bring Our Troops Home
    Get Allies to Pay their Fair Share
    Maintain and Expand America’s Unrivaled Military Strength
    Wipe Out Global Terrorists Who Threaten to Harm Americans
    Build a Great Cybersecurity Defense System and Missile Defense System

    DEFEND AMERICAN VALUES

    Continue nominating constitutionalist Supreme Court and lower court judges
    Protect unborn life through every means available
    Defend the freedoms of religious believers and organizations
    Support the exercise of Second Amendment rights


    Democratic Party of the Jackass Agenda:

    Create more Government dependency.
    Attack the job creators
    Ignore our Immigration laws
    Bury future generations in permanent debt
    Empower their one party rule even if it means destroying our institutions
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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    They aren’t losing the party, it has already been lost, the Republican Party today is Trump. It has no ideals, no principles, no doctrine, no ideology or policies, it is just Trump, what Trump says and does is the GOP.
    Funny thing is

    Trump recently told his rally audience to get vaxed


    They booed trump

    They only love racism

    And being anti vax is now proof you are all the way down on racism


    Willing to risk your life for it


    Cult thinking

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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    I'm sure the GOP will win the mid-terms.
    Only if they cheat. And they will certain try to cheat.

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