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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    We need a strong 2-party system in America. We should have even more than that - but we need at least 2.

    I'm sure the GOP will win the mid-terms. But the party itself is going down the rabbit hole, rapidly. Trump is still very involved w/ party leadership and plays a significant role in determining the candidates we'll see for the House and Senate. "The Big Lie" has become the main qualifier for any prospective candidate, and even for incumbents to keep their positions.

    And we're seeing quite a few reasonable Republicans decide it's no longer for them. These aren't "moderates" or "Rinos" - many are real conservatives, who don't want any part of conspiracies and lies, and just want to get back to good governance and conservative principles. They're being replaced by people on the fringes (trying to be polite here). These are not people who are interested in the country succeeding as it is currently structured.

    And we're headed toward the equivalent of fight club in Congress, every day. Grandstanding and trying to get headlines instead of working for the people.

    When Liz Cheney can't fist bump the President of the United States without talk radio and twitter erupting in fury, we're in trouble. The GOP needs to find itself again.
    If a party is strong enough to rout the other in the mid terms how is it not a strong party?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tsuke View Post
    If a party is strong enough to rout the other in the mid terms how is it not a strong party?
    Where did I say "rout"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    Conservatives seem to think I started this thread as some sort of debate thing.

    Everything I stated is fact. You can acknowledge what's going on and try to save the party, or just settle into the rabbit hole.
    What if you wrote this same type of thread about the Democrats? While there was unity among Democrats to get rid of Trump clearly there are divisions among party members. Understandably, it's always easier (and more fun) to talk about the troubles and challenges of the other party.

    I could start a similar thread and talk about Democrats of the past and how they wouldn't fit into the party today etc. etc. Everything I say could be 100% true but do you think a bunch of Democrats are going to want to agree with a Republican about an assessment of their party? Most likely not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    What if you wrote this same type of thread about the Democrats? While there was unity among Democrats to get rid of Trump clearly there are divisions among party members. Understandably, it's always easier (and more fun) to talk about the troubles and challenges of the other party.

    I could start a similar thread and talk about Democrats of the past and how they wouldn't fit into the party today etc. etc. Everything I say could be 100% true but do you think a bunch of Democrats are going to want to agree with a Republican about an assessment of their party? Most likely not.
    Democrats definitely have their own problems.

    But there problem isn't a reality problem. The Democrats have an issue right now w/ their progressive wing, which has grown more powerful.

    It's something they have to figure out. But Republicans have gone off the rails. There is a difference.

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    Hello BartenderElite,

    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    Democrats definitely have their own problems.

    But there problem isn't a reality problem. The Democrats have an issue right now w/ their progressive wing, which has grown more powerful.

    It's something they have to figure out. But Republicans have gone off the rails. There is a difference.
    Well the difference is that the extreme part of the Democratic Party has vision they don't want to compromise on.

    The extreme part of the Republican party has hatred they don't want to compromise on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    What if you wrote this same type of thread about the Democrats? While there was unity among Democrats to get rid of Trump clearly there are divisions among party members. Understandably, it's always easier (and more fun) to talk about the troubles and challenges of the other party.

    I could start a similar thread and talk about Democrats of the past and how they wouldn't fit into the party today etc. etc. Everything I say could be 100% true but do you think a bunch of Democrats are going to want to agree with a Republican about an assessment of their party? Most likely not.
    Good points.

    The democrats started fracturing during the Obama years when the radical left started feeling their oats. In fact, the left wing of the democrat party was well to the left of Hillary by 2016 and it would have been interesting to see if she could have United the party had she won. Thankfully, we’ll never know the answer to that but it’s doubtful she could have.

    The leftward lurch started under Obama and it was like the election of President Donald J. Trump in 2016 threw gasoline on the fire. Prior to that, the left advocated for things like gay marriage [how sanely benign does that seem now?] now they want to defund the cops, teach gender madness, tear down monuments, cancel speech they don’t agree with and spend tax payer money in ways that would have made any democrats of twenty years ago look like fiscal conservatives.

    The democrats split is different than the republican split if for no other reason than there are no ‘radical Republicans’: we have MAGA Republicans and some leftover country club Republicans like Romney. Also, MAGA won our civil war while the left’s is ongoing. There’s nothing ‘radical’ about putting this country’s interest ahead of global interests and/or doing everything possible to get manufacturing jobs back here from China or Mexico. Ronald Reagan might disagree with some of our methods or finer points but no way would he think it was ‘radical’.

    It’s just the opposite of radical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    We need a strong 2-party system in America. We should have even more than that - but we need at least 2.

    I'm sure the GOP will win the mid-terms. But the party itself is going down the rabbit hole, rapidly. Trump is still very involved w/ party leadership and plays a significant role in determining the candidates we'll see for the House and Senate. "The Big Lie" has become the main qualifier for any prospective candidate, and even for incumbents to keep their positions.

    And we're seeing quite a few reasonable Republicans decide it's no longer for them. These aren't "moderates" or "Rinos" - many are real conservatives, who don't want any part of conspiracies and lies, and just want to get back to good governance and conservative principles. They're being replaced by people on the fringes (trying to be polite here). These are not people who are interested in the country succeeding as it is currently structured.

    And we're headed toward the equivalent of fight club in Congress, every day. Grandstanding and trying to get headlines instead of working for the people.

    When Liz Cheney can't fist bump the President of the United States without talk radio and twitter erupting in fury, we're in trouble. The GOP needs to find itself again.
    really wait til the next election and say that

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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    We need a strong 2-party system in America. We should have even more than that - but we need at least 2.

    I'm sure the GOP will win the mid-terms. But the party itself is going down the rabbit hole, rapidly. Trump is still very involved w/ party leadership and plays a significant role in determining the candidates we'll see for the House and Senate. "The Big Lie" has become the main qualifier for any prospective candidate, and even for incumbents to keep their positions.

    And we're seeing quite a few reasonable Republicans decide it's no longer for them. These aren't "moderates" or "Rinos" - many are real conservatives, who don't want any part of conspiracies and lies, and just want to get back to good governance and conservative principles. They're being replaced by people on the fringes (trying to be polite here). These are not people who are interested in the country succeeding as it is currently structured.

    And we're headed toward the equivalent of fight club in Congress, every day. Grandstanding and trying to get headlines instead of working for the people.

    When Liz Cheney can't fist bump the President of the United States without talk radio and twitter erupting in fury, we're in trouble. The GOP needs to find itself again.
    I agree with most of this except "I'm sure the GOP will win the mid-terms." A lot can happen between now and then so I'll say it's a maybe.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post

    The leftward lurch started under Obama and it was like the election of President Donald J. Trump in 2016 threw gasoline on the fire.
    Prior to that, the left advocated for things like gay marriage [how sanely benign does that seem now?] now they want to defund the cops, teach gender madness, tear down monuments, cancel speech they don’t agree with and spend tax payer money in ways that would have made any democrats of twenty years ago look like fiscal conservatives.
    dems also want to teach critical race theory, and open the borders to anyone that can walk in

    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    The democrats split is different than the republican split if for no other reason than there are no ‘radical Republicans’: we have MAGA Republicans and some leftover country club Republicans like Romney. Also, MAGA won our civil war while the left’s is ongoing. There’s nothing ‘radical’ about putting this country’s interest ahead of global interests and/or doing everything possible to get manufacturing jobs back here from China or Mexico.
    Biden never ever talks about being competitive in the world ( except for "China is not threat just a competitor")
    Dems want to raise corp taxes to levels higher then China -how does that bring investment into the USA?
    it doesn't

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    They aren’t losing the party, it has already been lost, the Republican Party today is Trump. It has no ideals, no principles, no doctrine, no ideology or policies, it is just Trump, what Trump says and does is the GOP.
    Funny thing is

    Trump recently told his rally audience to get vaxed


    They booed trump

    They only love racism

    And being anti vax is now proof you are all the way down on racism


    Willing to risk your life for it


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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    It IS Trump's party in the fact that economic nationalism
    Trump and Conservatism's "economic nationalism" ended the longest economic expansion in America's history.

    It's official: Recession began in February, ending longest U.S. expansion ever
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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    The Democrats have an issue right now w/ their progressive wing, which has grown more powerful.
    No.

    The Democrats have an issue right now with their smaller, moderate wing that is trying to tank President Biden's domestic agenda.

    The CPC is fighting FOR Biden's BBB plan and Infrastructure plan...it's the moderates who are trying to tank both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    No.

    The Democrats have an issue right now with their smaller, moderate wing that is trying to tank President Biden's domestic agenda.

    The CPC is fighting FOR Biden's BBB plan and Infrastructure plan...it's the moderates who are trying to tank both.

    Correct. Conservatives like Manchin are subverting President Biden's agenda. What he was elected for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulletbob View Post
    really wait til the next election and say that
    You can’t win without cheating

    And we will stop your cheating

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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    No.

    The Democrats have an issue right now with their smaller, moderate wing that is trying to tank President Biden's domestic agenda.

    The CPC is fighting FOR Biden's BBB plan and Infrastructure plan...it's the moderates who are trying to tank both.
    Who in your mind are the moderates?

    It’s the far right Dems who take cash from corporations that are tanking it

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