Morality Question

[Hawkeye10]

What one cares about is defined by what one does, not what one says.

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In San Diego they have something similar. The whole idea is to get people from 'DRIVING' and start taking Public Transit.
It's CHEAPER to subsidize Public Transit than build ANOTHER Freeway Lane.

(Every Driver would gladly pay the Transit Fare of the next Driver to get him OFF the road)

Correct, in States as Florida, where public transit is rare and inefficient, eventually they are going to run out of room adding lanes, and don't ever get caught at a traffic light

[Hawkeye10]

Pilot program adds 60,000 riders in one month
Olympia, Wash., embraced free bus service this year, which previously cost $1.25 for a typical adult ride and $3 for an express bus from Lakewood to Tacoma.

The “Zero-Fare Demonstration Project,” which involved two-and-a-half years of strategic planning, went into effect on Jan. 1 this year and will last for the next five, at which point the city will re-evaluate the project’s impact.

Clark Gilman, Olympia City Council member and local transit authority board member, says the slogan of the campaign was to be “bold and unafraid.” After a ballot measure was passed to approve an additional sales tax for public transportation purposes, going fare-free was actually the most cost-effective option for Olympia for several reasons.

First, the cash boxes that collected fares on Olympia city buses were no longer being produced, he says. This forced city procurement specialists to use eBay to bid on old cash boxes from surplus and decommissioned buses from other cities.

Additionally, the cost of the plastic fare cards already in use was rising, due to trade tariffs imposed by the Trump administration.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/02/free...heres-why.html


What is not said is that this was paid for by doubling the transit sales tax, which was sold as a way to add service then almost immediately after the citizens foolishly approved it Intercity Transit instead plowed the majority of the new money into eliminating fares, which we get told in this article was the plan all along. We were lied to.

My lack of trust in my local transit agencies runs deep, and is part of my willingness to be a part of a citizens revolt.

[Hawkeye10]

Transit with no fares has been tried many times over the years, and there is again a huge push to do it. The problem always is that the bums ride around all day causing problems, which not only does not help society, it harms it, because people avoid using transit because it is dangerous. Over the years almost everyone who ever tries it changes their minds.

[Diesel]

Now that's just sad.

The legislation was a result of a drunk bike driver who caused a car to veer off the road killing its occupants. I agree it's sad, but legislation is almost always reactionary.

[Diesel]

Sound Transit has said straight up that for the next eight months no one will be punished for not paying, as has been the case for about a year now. If we want to ride for free then we can they say. So why should I pay....that seems stupid.....if they dont care if I pay why should I pay?



https://mynorthwest.com/3144490/fare...ansit-trains/?

You couldn't afford a train ride if you sold your last tooth on the black market.

[Diesel]

Liar.

No no, fuck you, Hawk. You know I know you. I know some of your dark, dirty secrets. You're an alcoholic and a drug addict. You have admitted it to me, Liar.

[ThatOwlWoman]

If most everyone did not pay Sound Transit would be forced to change their policy, they would need to either demand payment or figure out a way to finance operations without fares. I argue that refusing to pay under current condition is an act of civil disobedience, forcing them to come up with a more equitable policy then allowing the chumps to pay, as the not chumps to ride for free. Of course it is not really for free, the taxpayers fund operations far more so than the users, less than 10% of their monies currently come from fares.

What a clever and original way to justify theft. Nice going.

[ThatOwlWoman]

No no, fuck you, Hawk. You know I know you. I know some of your dark, dirty secrets. You're an alcoholic and a drug addict. You have admitted it to me, Liar.

Not only that, but he has shown it here multiple times. He's developed an obsession for an elderly spinster lady here, and writes some cringy stuff to her early the morning, when he's deep into his cups. It's hilarious!

[Doc Dutch]

I live the good life. I large part that is what the education was for.

Then why aren't you happy?

[Doc Dutch]

The legislation was a result of a drunk bike driver who caused a car to veer off the road killing its occupants. I agree it's sad, but legislation is almost always reactionary.

Which is one reason the founders made it difficult to enact legislation. It should be hard to pass such laws to avoid overreactions and to force due consideration.

[Doc Dutch]

What a clever and original way to justify theft. Nice going.

Once a thief, always a thief? LOL

Civil disobedience can be a fuzzy line.

[ThatOwlWoman]

Once a thief, always a thief? LOL

Civil disobedience can be a fuzzy line.

True, but not in this case.

[Nordberg]

It is unethical for government/business to mandate vaccines, especially one that doesn't work.

We have mandated vaccines for kids to enter school for generations. We lined up kids in gyms to get the polio vaccinations. I am glad people like you were not around back then. We ended a polio epidemic. You guys would have kept it going.

[T. A. Gardner]

In San Diego they have something similar. The whole idea is to get people from 'DRIVING' and start taking Public Transit.
It's CHEAPER to subsidize Public Transit than build ANOTHER Freeway Lane.

(Every Driver would gladly pay the Transit Fare of the next Driver to get him OFF the road)

Not in Phoenix it isn't. The light fail system here has cost so much to build and has such low ridership that it'd be cheaper to just give every daily rider a new Prius every four or five years...

Building freeways per mile is much cheaper than light fail too...

Freeways cost 2.7 to 62.4 million a mile, while light fail costs 15 to 100 million per mile.