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    Default Remember the 'Death Panels' hysteria the GOP gave us?...they made some for themselves

    Remember the nonstop right-wing coverage of the those terrifying pretend “Death Panels” that would be upon us the moment Obamacare was signed into law? Republican politicians waxed poetic about their moral outrage at these imaginary death panels deciding who would get healthcare and who would not. Sarah Palin (remember her?) was the queen of the death panel lie and said “The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society.' "

    Of course there was nothing in the law that had anything to do with a death panel. But reality doesn’t hold much sway with most Republicans or right-wing media. So the lie spread and became a rallying cry for the Tea Party extremists. The era of the civil congressional town hall meeting was over because Democrats were shouted down by rabid Fox News enthusiasts that were convinced healthcare would be rationed and denied to their elderly loved one. The lie was recognized as useful by more mainstream Republicans and spread further. It became central to the Obamacare debate and was designated PolitiFact’s Lie of the Year in 2009.

    Twelve years later, as has been widely reported and discussed in the media and here on Daily Kos, the COVID-19 pandemic is so ravaging Idaho’s unvaccinated population and overwhelming the healthcare system that critically ill people are being denied life-saving care. The hospitals in Idaho have implemented crisis care standards. From the latest AP story on the crisis:

    Crisis care standards mean that scarce resources such as ICU beds will be allotted to the patients most likely to survive. Other patients will be treated with less effective methods or, in dire cases, given pain relief and other palliative care.

    This isn’t pretend. It is happening right now in Idaho. Where is the outrage in conservative media? I just checked Fox News’ website and the lead story is something about one of Hillary Clinton’s lawyers. Where are the self-important speeches from the Republican senators and other politicians expressing their moral outrage that this is happening in our country?

    Oh wait. I forgot. Modern-day Republicans literally have no moral compass or fidelity to any moral principles. The politics of “death panels” in Idaho in 2021 are terrible for them so we get crickets. Anti-vaccine, anti-science sentiment rules parts of the party and gets winks and nods from the rest. Cutting spending on healthcare and public health is a favorite Republican pastime. The fact this disaster is happening in very red Idaho, with one of the lowest vaccination rates in the country and total state control of government by Republicans means they really don’t want to talk about it. ~ DKos


    https://www.startribune.com/covid-19...est/600097740/

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    Funny, wonder what Sarah has to say about it, or any of the media demogogues who were screaming "death panels" back in the day

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    They are already here, you idiots aren't paying attention. many people are choosing death over liens against estates as they can't afford services with the piss poor legislation called Obamacare

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAGA View Post
    They are already here, you idiots aren't paying attention. many people are choosing death over liens against estates as they can't afford services with the piss poor legislation called Obamacare
    Bullshit, back up what you say and show us just twenty five people, and you are telling us many, who are "choosing death over liens against estates as they can't afford services with the piss poor legislation called Obamacare."

    Lets see if you can back up what you say

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Bullshit, back up what you say and show us just twenty five people, and you are telling us many, who are "choosing death over liens against estates as they can't afford services with the piss poor legislation called Obamacare."

    Lets see if you can back up what you say
    Despite Obamacare, a ‘shockingly high’ number of people know someone who died after being unable to afford health care

    1 in 8 or 34 million My insurance is way worse now than before Obamacare

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/de...are-2019-11-12

    ObamaCare: 10 years of distress and disappointment

    Even more shocking, HHS reports, “Average individual market premiums more than doubled from $2,784 per year in 2013 to $5,712 on Healthcare.gov in 2017—an increase of $2,928 or 105%.” Needless to say, ObamaCare has fallen woefully short in its grand ambition to slice health insurance premiums by $2,500 per year.

    To exemplify why millions of Americans remain uninsured, CMS provides this personal account: “A 60-year old couple in Grand Island, Nebraska making $70,000 a year—which is just slightly too much to qualify for Obamacare’s premium subsidy—is faced with paying $38,000, over half of their yearly income, to buy a silver plan with an $11,100 annual maximum out-of-pocket limit.” No wonder 28 million Americans are uninsured.

    CMS notes, “We should not be surprised if they make the tough decision to drop their coverage. With a similar cold reality facing millions of American families, it was inevitable that Obamacare’s affordability crisis would eventually show up in the rates of uninsured Americans.”

    Third, President Obama repeatedly assured voters, “If you like your health care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health care plan, period.” After ObamaCare was enacted, millions of Americans were unable to keep their pre-ObamaCare health insurance plan.
    Sadly, since ObamaCare’s inception one decade ago, the vast majority of Americans are not better off in terms of their health insurance costs and health care access

    https://thehill.com/opinion/healthca...disappointment

    Excess Deaths Among the Uninsured Before the Affordable Care Act (ACA), and Potential Post-ACA Reductions

    Context: Despite implementation of the Affordable Care Act (ACA), as of 2015, about 25.8 million working-age Americans remained uninsured and vulnerable to premature death because of poor health care access. The ACA-mandated phasing out of disproportionate share hospital payments that supported charity care may aggravate care access for the residual uninsured.

    Objectives: To estimate excess deaths among the uninsured and the potential ACA impact on the basis of a recent cohort's mortality experience. We hypothesized a higher uninsured mortality risk than the available pre-2000 estimate because of worsening of care disparities owing to technology-driven advances in life-saving care.

    Design: We conducted a retrospective cohort study of the 1999 to 2002 National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey respondents observed through 2011. We estimated (a) weighted Cox proportional mortality hazard of uninsured working-age adults adjusted for demographics, comorbidity, and lifestyle behaviors, (b) weighted mortality rates among the uninsured and insured within age and comorbidity strata, and (c) excess deaths because of uninsurance using the Institute of Medicine methodology.

    Setting: Noninstitutionalized US population.

    Participants: Adults aged 20 to 64 years.

    Main outcome measure: Mortality.

    Results: Of 7274 study-eligible respondents, 20.6% were uninsured and 478 died during follow-up, for an adjusted uninsured mortality hazard ratio of 1.57 (95% confidence interval, 1.12-2.21) versus privately insured, translating to 48 529 excess deaths among the population aged 25 to 64 years in 2011 (7.8% of total deaths in this age group). The estimated proportion of excess deaths was 52% higher than the pre-2000 cohort study. The mortality disparity increased with age and comorbidity.

    Conclusions: Findings support our hypotheses, and indicate that post-ACA, a residual 4.7% excess mortality among working-age adults will continue, about 30 428 excess deaths annually. Restoration of disproportionate share hospital supports and continued advocacy for universal health care coverage are needed to reduce avoidable deaths.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27598710/

    WASHINGTON, D.C. and SAN DIEGO, CA – More than 13% of Americans – about 34 million people – have a friend or family member who died sometime in the last five years after not receiving needed medical treatment because they were unable to pay for it, according to a new national survey released today by the nonprofit West Health and Gallup.

    https://www.westhealth.org/press-rel...ord-treatment/

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    Quote Originally Posted by reagansghost View Post
    Remember the nonstop right-wing coverage of the those terrifying pretend “Death Panels” that would be upon us the moment Obamacare was signed into law? Republican politicians waxed poetic about their moral outrage at these imaginary death panels deciding who would get healthcare and who would not. Sarah Palin (remember her?) was the queen of the death panel lie and said “The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society.' "

    Of course there was nothing in the law that had anything to do with a death panel. But reality doesn’t hold much sway with most Republicans or right-wing media. So the lie spread and became a rallying cry for the Tea Party extremists. The era of the civil congressional town hall meeting was over because Democrats were shouted down by rabid Fox News enthusiasts that were convinced healthcare would be rationed and denied to their elderly loved one. The lie was recognized as useful by more mainstream Republicans and spread further. It became central to the Obamacare debate and was designated PolitiFact’s Lie of the Year in 2009.

    Twelve years later, as has been widely reported and discussed in the media and here on Daily Kos, the COVID-19 pandemic is so ravaging Idaho’s unvaccinated population and overwhelming the healthcare system that critically ill people are being denied life-saving care. The hospitals in Idaho have implemented crisis care standards. From the latest AP story on the crisis:

    Crisis care standards mean that scarce resources such as ICU beds will be allotted to the patients most likely to survive. Other patients will be treated with less effective methods or, in dire cases, given pain relief and other palliative care.

    This isn’t pretend. It is happening right now in Idaho. Where is the outrage in conservative media? I just checked Fox News’ website and the lead story is something about one of Hillary Clinton’s lawyers. Where are the self-important speeches from the Republican senators and other politicians expressing their moral outrage that this is happening in our country?

    Oh wait. I forgot. Modern-day Republicans literally have no moral compass or fidelity to any moral principles. The politics of “death panels” in Idaho in 2021 are terrible for them so we get crickets. Anti-vaccine, anti-science sentiment rules parts of the party and gets winks and nods from the rest. Cutting spending on healthcare and public health is a favorite Republican pastime. The fact this disaster is happening in very red Idaho, with one of the lowest vaccination rates in the country and total state control of government by Republicans means they really don’t want to talk about it. ~ DKos


    https://www.startribune.com/covid-19...est/600097740/
    When it comes to engaging in high treason, crimes against humanity and war against America, U.S. Constitutional death panel as in the punishment guidelines of treason should be directed at repukes, tRump and all internal creatures involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gemini104104 View Post
    When it comes to engaging in high treason, crimes against humanity and war against America, U.S. Constitutional death panel as in the punishment guidelines of treason should be directed at repukes, tRump and all internal creatures involved.
    Genocide here we come.

    BARF
    This illegal illegitimate regime that runs America is at fault...not me.... they do not represent me and I have long objected to their crimes against humanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    Genocide here we come.

    BARF
    Projecting tRump and his un American GQP creatures covid, in particular, genocide or Capitol murder on society? Actually based on U.S. Constitutional law at dealing with the enemy from within as in high treason and sedition, this would be justice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gemini104104 View Post
    Projecting tRump and his un American GQP creatures covid, in particular, genocide or Capitol murder on society? Actually based on U.S. Constitutional law at dealing with the enemy from within as in high treason and sedition, this would be justice.
    Abusers are are always sure that they are right.
    This illegal illegitimate regime that runs America is at fault...not me.... they do not represent me and I have long objected to their crimes against humanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gemini104104 View Post
    When it comes to engaging in high treason, crimes against humanity and war against America, U.S. Constitutional death panel as in the punishment guidelines of treason should be directed at repukes, tRump and all internal creatures involved.
    Since a day after Constitution Day death panels of thieving US Constitution arsonists based on Germany's 1930's Enabling Act & Kristallnacht became Byrd's West Nazi Germany Virginia KKK churchstate fiefdom sociopsychopathilogical homicidal human genocide pogrom farming adopted by those crooks on Capital Hill Christian Nation interpretation in that "man is God" survival of the fittest fascists pyramid scheme of one nation under God with equal justice under law patriot act health care plan.
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