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    Default General Milley cannot undermine civilian authority. The US is not a military junta

    General Milley cannot undermine civilian authority. The US is not a military junta
    Lt Col Daniel L Davis (ret)

    A new book claims the US’s top military officer secretly told the Chinese military he would warn if Trump ordered an attack. His reasons don’t matter – he must be relieved of command
    ‘What Milley did was dangerously close to treason.’
    ‘What Milley did was dangerously close to treason.’ Photograph: Susan Walsh/AP
    Fri 17 Sep 2021 06.15 EDT



    "On Tuesday, the Washington Post published a bombshell drawn from a forthcoming book by the journalists Bob Woodward and Robert Costa: during the final days of Donald Trump’s presidency, Gen Mark Milley, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff and the US’s highest-ranking military officer, called the senior ranking general of the Chinese military and offered to warn him in advance of any American military action against China.

    Milley, who reportedly believed that Trump was unstable and might launch a politically motivated military operation, contacted the Chinese without the knowledge of the White House. He no doubt thought that his decision was for the greater good. But if he did indeed negotiate with a foreign military rival without authorization, he violated the longstanding American political tradition that the military is subordinate to elected civilian leaders.

    A spokesman for Milley released a statement on Wednesday acknowledging the substance of Woodward and Costa’s reporting, and defending Milley’s actions as “in keeping with [his] duties and responsibilities conveying reassurance in order to maintain strategic stability”.

    So far President Biden has declined to discipline Milley. On Wednesday, he told reporters that he had “great confidence” in the general. But he shouldn’t. If anything, Biden should demand Milley’s immediate resignation.

    Milley called the Chinese general Li Zuocheng in October and January. On one call, he reportedly said, “General Li, you and I have known each other for now five years. If we’re going to attack, I’m going to call you ahead of time. It’s not going to be a surprise.”

    That alone should be grounds for immediate dismissal. No US military officer can seize authority from the president and call the commanding general of our greatest global rival and tell that general that he’ll be given advance warning of military action ordered by the president. Such an act is dangerously close to treason, as Senator Marco Rubio and others have noted. But Milley deserves to be relieved of duty for far more than this one act of insubordination.

    Milley has a troubling, years-long record of poor military judgment and a tendency to subvert his civilian leaders. This is particularly evident in his rosy assessments of the war in Afghanistan and the capabilities of the Afghan military."

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...military-junta

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    Correct, it's not a military junta. Nor is it a one man show.
    "Give pearls away and rubies but keep your fancy free."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    General Milley cannot undermine civilian authority. The US is not a military junta
    Lt Col Daniel L Davis (ret)

    A new book claims the US’s top military officer secretly told the Chinese military he would warn if Trump ordered an attack. His reasons don’t matter – he must be relieved of command
    ‘What Milley did was dangerously close to treason.’
    ‘What Milley did was dangerously close to treason.’ Photograph: Susan Walsh/AP
    Fri 17 Sep 2021 06.15 EDT



    "On Tuesday, the Washington Post published a bombshell drawn from a forthcoming book by the journalists Bob Woodward and Robert Costa: during the final days of Donald Trump’s presidency, Gen Mark Milley, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff and the US’s highest-ranking military officer, called the senior ranking general of the Chinese military and offered to warn him in advance of any American military action against China.

    Milley, who reportedly believed that Trump was unstable and might launch a politically motivated military operation, contacted the Chinese without the knowledge of the White House. He no doubt thought that his decision was for the greater good. But if he did indeed negotiate with a foreign military rival without authorization, he violated the longstanding American political tradition that the military is subordinate to elected civilian leaders.

    A spokesman for Milley released a statement on Wednesday acknowledging the substance of Woodward and Costa’s reporting, and defending Milley’s actions as “in keeping with [his] duties and responsibilities conveying reassurance in order to maintain strategic stability”.

    So far President Biden has declined to discipline Milley. On Wednesday, he told reporters that he had “great confidence” in the general. But he shouldn’t. If anything, Biden should demand Milley’s immediate resignation.

    Milley called the Chinese general Li Zuocheng in October and January. On one call, he reportedly said, “General Li, you and I have known each other for now five years. If we’re going to attack, I’m going to call you ahead of time. It’s not going to be a surprise.”

    That alone should be grounds for immediate dismissal. No US military officer can seize authority from the president and call the commanding general of our greatest global rival and tell that general that he’ll be given advance warning of military action ordered by the president. Such an act is dangerously close to treason, as Senator Marco Rubio and others have noted. But Milley deserves to be relieved of duty for far more than this one act of insubordination.

    Milley has a troubling, years-long record of poor military judgment and a tendency to subvert his civilian leaders. This is particularly evident in his rosy assessments of the war in Afghanistan and the capabilities of the Afghan military."

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...military-junta
    Milley routinely contacted the Chinese without the White House's knowledge, it was part of his job. He was not required to tell them each time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    General Milley cannot undermine civilian authority. The US is not a military junta
    Lt Col Daniel L Davis (ret)

    A new book claims the US’s top military officer secretly told the Chinese military he would warn if Trump ordered an attack. His reasons don’t matter – he must be relieved of command
    ‘What Milley did was dangerously close to treason.’
    ‘What Milley did was dangerously close to treason.’ Photograph: Susan Walsh/AP
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    "On Tuesday, the Washington Post published a bombshell drawn from a forthcoming book by the journalists Bob Woodward and Robert Costa: during the final days of Donald Trump’s presidency, Gen Mark Milley, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff and the US’s highest-ranking military officer, called the senior ranking general of the Chinese military and offered to warn him in advance of any American military action against China.

    Milley, who reportedly believed that Trump was unstable and might launch a politically motivated military operation, contacted the Chinese without the knowledge of the White House. He no doubt thought that his decision was for the greater good. But if he did indeed negotiate with a foreign military rival without authorization, he violated the longstanding American political tradition that the military is subordinate to elected civilian leaders.

    A spokesman for Milley released a statement on Wednesday acknowledging the substance of Woodward and Costa’s reporting, and defending Milley’s actions as “in keeping with [his] duties and responsibilities conveying reassurance in order to maintain strategic stability”.

    So far President Biden has declined to discipline Milley. On Wednesday, he told reporters that he had “great confidence” in the general. But he shouldn’t. If anything, Biden should demand Milley’s immediate resignation.

    Milley called the Chinese general Li Zuocheng in October and January. On one call, he reportedly said, “General Li, you and I have known each other for now five years. If we’re going to attack, I’m going to call you ahead of time. It’s not going to be a surprise.”

    That alone should be grounds for immediate dismissal. No US military officer can seize authority from the president and call the commanding general of our greatest global rival and tell that general that he’ll be given advance warning of military action ordered by the president. Such an act is dangerously close to treason, as Senator Marco Rubio and others have noted. But Milley deserves to be relieved of duty for far more than this one act of insubordination.

    Milley has a troubling, years-long record of poor military judgment and a tendency to subvert his civilian leaders. This is particularly evident in his rosy assessments of the war in Afghanistan and the capabilities of the Afghan military."

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...military-junta
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    A spokesman for Milley released a statement on Wednesday acknowledging the substance of Woodward and Costa’s reporting, and defending Milley’s actions as “in keeping with [his] duties and responsibilities conveying reassurance in order to maintain strategic stability”.


    precisely

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    Quote Originally Posted by martin View Post
    Correct, it's not a military junta. Nor is it a one man show.
    WTF?
    There is ONE Commander in Chief

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    Milley routinely contacted the Chinese without the White House's knowledge, it was part of his job. He was not required to tell them each time.
    no it's not part of his job.
    his job is strictly advisory. and that means advising the POTUS, but not the Chinese Communists
    He has ZERO command authority

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    Milley hates Trump like the rest of the brass, thank god we still have true patriots in the military to protect the nation....and the world

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    Quote Originally Posted by reagansghost View Post
    Milley hates Trump like the rest of the brass, thank god we still have true patriots in the military to protect the nation....and the world
    Horse mierda, pendejo, Milley is a traitor who broke the chain of command and should face a court-martial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by martin View Post
    Correct, it's not a military junta. Nor is it a one man show.
    Correct and Milley isn't a one man show thinking he is in charge. No one elected him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    Milley routinely contacted the Chinese without the White House's knowledge, it was part of his job. He was not required to tell them each time.
    Spoken like a jerk who has NEVER been in the military.

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    Trump personally appointed Milley, and Milley’s calls were well known to Trump’s Defense Secretary Miller, if Trump wasn’t so busy trying to overturn Americans’ vote he might have been aware of what was happening around him

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    Milley routinely contacted the Chinese without the White House's knowledge, it was part of his job. He was not required to tell them each time.
    Horse shit. Milley broke the chain of command.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    Horse mierda, pendejo, Milley is a traitor who broke the chain of command and should face a court-martial.
    Milley never had any intention to do Trump's bidding, don't kid yourself

    btw he's a national hero

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy View Post
    Spoken like a jerk who has NEVER been in the military.
    I asked the phony lawyer if he served and he said no.

    He has no clue as to what breaking the chain of command does to the military...no clue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reagansghost View Post
    Milley never had any intention to do Trump's bidding, don't kid yourself

    btw he's a national hero
    Milley is a traitor.
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