Hoosier Daddy (09-17-2021)
Lists of best presidents, or worst presidents, show up from time to time. Abraham Lincoln and Woodrow Wilson usually make it into the top five of every Democrat’s best president list. Conversely, they always make it to number one and number two on my list of worst president.
Should the ‘experts’ ever get around to compiling a list of the most overrated presidents —— Lincoln and Wilson will be the only contestants. That is saying a lot when you toss out FDR, LBJ, JFK, Carter, Clinton, Obama, and Biden.
I do not know what Tom DiLorenzo thinks about Wilson, but he gets a double-attaboy for nailing “Honest Abe”:
Today, The Two Mikes welcomed back Dr. Tom DiLorenzo for a discussion on Abraham Lincoln and to mark the anniversary of the battle of Antietam on September 17th.
Dr. DiLorenzo has written three excellent, highly provocative, and deeply researched books about Abraham Lincoln, and they have influenced and begun to change the understanding of Lincoln among the public and in the academy.
Dr. DiLorenzo explained that Lincoln was a lawyer for corporate interests and was the chief counsel for the Illinois Central railway, a career that produced a man who favored protectionism, governmental spending to assist railroad and other industries, and a view of the central government properly operating beyond its constitutional powers and reach.
Lincoln is the last person anybody should invoke trying to justify the Civil War with the slavery argument. Everything Lincoln did and said set this country on the road to federal government control.
Instead of civil war, Lincoln could have, and should have, worked within the Constitution if he felt so strongly about preserving the Union. Naturally, the Civil War would have been unnecessary had the South surrendered their Rights instead of defending them.
Thus, the war that came can be seen not only as a Civil War but as a war to protect Northern economic interests.
The fact is that Lincoln saw the Constitution impeding his will.
Americans celebrate Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg Address, but H.L. Mencken correctly evaluated the speech, "It is poetry not logic; beauty, not sense." Lincoln said that the soldiers sacrificed their lives "to the cause of self-determination -- government of the people, by the people, for the people should not perish from the earth."
Mencken says: "It is difficult to imagine anything more untrue. The Union soldiers in the battle actually fought against self-determination; it was the Confederates who fought for the right of people to govern themselves."
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?109621-The-Evolution-Of-The-Party-Of-Liars&p=2797672#post2797672
As important, Dr. DiLorenzo points out that there is nothing in the founding documents that prevents secession, and that Lincoln was fully empowered to let the southern states go and form another republic in North America, and save 850,000 lives in the process.
This analysis clearly is relevant to the thinking of Americans today.
It also is worth mentioning that this was the position of Jefferson, Madison, and several other of the founders.
Dr. DiLorenzo does not immediately convince all of his listeners, but his work demands respect and consideration and, as for myself, his work has caused me to begin to rethink much of what I had long believed about Lincoln.
Tom DiLorenzo: Abraham Lincoln was a Big Government Politician
by Two Mikes
September 16, 2021
https://freedomfirstnetwork.com/2021...ent-politician
The basic test of freedom is perhaps less in what we are free to do than in what we are free not to do. It is the freedom to refrain, withdraw and abstain which makes a totalitarian regime impossible. Eric Hoffer
Hoosier Daddy (09-17-2021)
Celticguy (09-20-2021)
Lincoln was a GREAT president...and deserves all the accolades he gets.
The most OVERRATED president we've ever had is Trump.
He is rated the worst president we've ever had...and that, in my opinion, overrates him. He is a traitor...and has done more to damage our Republic than all of our foreign enemies combined.
ON HIS WORST DAY, JOE BIDEN IS A BETTER PRESIDENT THAN TRUMP WAS ON HIS BEST DAY!
Guno צְבִי (09-18-2021), Hoosier Daddy (09-17-2021), Iolo/Penderyn (09-17-2021), Jarod (09-21-2021)
I dont know enough to know but based upon an argument I read several years ago that it is Wilson which seemed pretty solid to me that is where I would start.
The bottom line is that conservatives cant admit to themselves the Evil they have allowed to romp on their watch.
This is going to hurt.
Flanders (09-17-2021)
Flanders (09-17-2021)
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?175859-Which-General-Would-Commit-Treason
To Frank Apisa: Your copy is in the mail.
The basic test of freedom is perhaps less in what we are free to do than in what we are free not to do. It is the freedom to refrain, withdraw and abstain which makes a totalitarian regime impossible. Eric Hoffer
I lean toward FDR as the best, myself,
and I consider Trump surpassing Dubya as the very worst
to be possibly the most disgraceful artifact of US history since slavery.
Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Samuel Johnson, 1775
Religion....is the opiate of the people. Karl Marx, 1848
Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose. Kris Kristofferson, 1969
Frank Apisa (09-17-2021), Guno צְבִי (09-18-2021)
I don’t know. Nobody told me.
The ASPCA
GWB, Started both the Afghanistan and Iraq wars and if he is not last, he is overrated.
4,487
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LOCK HIM UP!
Guno צְבִי (09-18-2021)
4,487
18 U.S. Code § 2071 - Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally
44 U.S.C. 2202 - The United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records; and such records shall be administered in accordance with the provisions of this chapter.
LOCK HIM UP!
Guno צְבִי (09-18-2021)
Worst Presidents for me are the ones that targeted small businesses for destruction- Carter absolute worst, then FDR, Obama make up the top 3. I believe Biden is moving toward those top 3. Trump was not PC, hence the hate from the left. I think the weakest Republican President in my lifetime outside of Nixon was GW Bush or possibly Gerald Ford. Trump for me in 401k earnings alone was the clear winner as I almost made my retirement plan come back after tha hideous legislation called Obamacare passed.
Wilson was a raging racist. Abe was first or second best president. Trump is a piece of shit waste of human skin.
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Guno צְבִי (09-18-2021)
The one thug says to the other. What’s up with him?
The thug replies back. “ He has problems at home.”
It was good seeing you dog. SMP Souf’s Myrtle Posey.
I’m the pres, you’re the vice, desks the treasurer and knuckle neck is down.
To Frank Apisa: Teachers, authors, and movie producers are responsible for Lincoln’s accolades.
On the other hand, average black Americans cheering for Lincoln have been suckered since the Civil War. In truth, had Lincoln not taken one in the melon he was going to send freed slaves back to Africa.
Did Abraham Lincoln plan to send ex-slaves to Central America after the Civil War?
By Louis Jacobson
June 26, 2015
https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...es-central-am/
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...58#post4395958
Parenthetically, Lincoln was a tall ugly man who married a short crazy woman. That is why he always reminded me of the old joke:
After a 6 feet 6 inch man married a miniature wife a friend asked him about intercourse. He replied “She gets on top so it is like jerking off with somebody to talk to.”
The basic test of freedom is perhaps less in what we are free to do than in what we are free not to do. It is the freedom to refrain, withdraw and abstain which makes a totalitarian regime impossible. Eric Hoffer
Abraham Lincoln was a great president...and a leader. He may be second best to George Washington...he may be our best president.
Trump is the worst president we've ever had...and hopefully, will be the worst we ever have.
Now, go back to your fantasies. When you take time off to post that bullshit you post, you are wasting valuable whacking off time.
ON HIS WORST DAY, JOE BIDEN IS A BETTER PRESIDENT THAN TRUMP WAS ON HIS BEST DAY!
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