Chinese outrage at new US-UK-Australian security pact

[Guno צְבִי]

[Hawkeye10]

Like clockwork.

I am not sure that it matters, the idea that Australia could make an effective sub, crew it, and operate it effectively in time to make any difference is far fetched. The population is only 25 million, and now they have decimated the economy with their COVID insanity......this plan seems doomed from the jump for being outside of reality.

[Hawkeye10]

I was first:

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...ants-Nuke-Subs

[cancel2 2022]

Like clockwork.

I am not sure that it matters, the idea that Australia could make an effective sub, crew it, and operate it effectively in time to make any difference is far fetched. The population is only 25 million, and now they have decimated the economy with their COVID insanity......this plan seems doomed from the jump for being outside of reality.

They are not going to make them, they will be built in Barrow on Furness.

[Hawkeye10]

They are not going to make it, it will be built in Barrow on Furness.

I do not understand this post. My understanding is that the boats are to be made in Australia with Australian labor as much as possible with UK and American expert supervision.

This is likely to go about as well as the Argentinians rebuilding the ARA San Juan themselves, with German supervision.

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Why nuclear submarines?

Nuclear submarines are powered by nuclear reactors which produce heat that creates high-pressured steam to spin turbines and power the boat's propeller. They can run for about 20 years before needing to refuel, meaning food supplies are the only limit on time at sea.

The boats are also very quiet, making it harder for enemies to detect them and can travel at top speed - about 40kmh - for longer than diesel-powered subs.

The first nuclear submarines were put to sea by the United States in the 1950s. They are now also in use by Russia, France, the United Kingdom, China, and India. A senior US defence official told reporters in Washington DC: 'This will give Australia the capability for their submarines to basically deploy for a longer period, they're quieter, they're much more capable. 'They will allow us to sustain and to improve deterrence across the Indo-Pacific.'

Zack Cooper, a senior fellow with the American Enterprise Institute, said nuclear submarines would hugely boost Australia's military capability. They are going to be much, much more capable in the large, expansive ocean that is Australia has to deal with,' he told the ABC.

Will Australia have nuclear weapons?

Scott Morrison made it clear that the nuclear-power submarines will not have nuclear missiles on board. Australia has never produced nuclear weapons and signed the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons in 1973 which prevents non-nuclear states which don't already have them from developing nuclear weapons.

Mr Morrison also said the Australia has no plans to build nuclear power stations which are widely used around the world. 'But let me be clear, Australia is not seeking to acquire nuclear weapons or establish a civil nuclear capability,' he said. 'And we will continue to meet all our nuclear non-proliferation obligations.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...es-Taiwan.html

[Hawkeye10]

I gotta figure that they want Nuke Powered Subs because they need the range, what they had was mostly for watching for illegal activity in their waters....and because Chinese detection is becoming very good...being able to stay underwater for weeks at a time is critical for survivability.

[Walt]

I gotta figure that they want Nuke Powered Subs because they need the range, what they had was mostly for watching for illegal activity in their waters....and because Chinese detection is becoming very good...being able to stay underwater for weeks at a time is critical for survivability.

The one good thing for Australia was their potential enemies were technologically backwards. The potential enemies outnumbered the Australians, and were a lot closer than any allies, but were technologically backwards. China is changing that, but also is Thailand, Indonesia, Singapore, and all the rest. Australia is in a very bad position looking forward.

They must be thanking G-d for Biden throwing them a lifeline, especially after trump's abandoning them.

[BidenPresident]

so is France. Tough

[Walt]

I gotta figure that they want Nuke Powered Subs because they need the range, what they had was mostly for watching for illegal activity in their waters....and because Chinese detection is becoming very good...being able to stay underwater for weeks at a time is critical for survivability.

Australia has always realized in a way we are beginning to realize, that they are dependent on international trade for their very survival. They have such a small population, that they could not possible make everything in Australia. Much of industrial good have always needed to be shipped from Europe.

The fear Australia has had since the beginning was being cutoff from the world, and being forced to surrender without a shot being fired. This has always meant they are trying to figure out how to create a global navy as a tiny country. It is not an easy nut to crack.

[gemini104104]

Actually citizens of America should be outraged at getting tricked with those online merchandise articles from China that end up getting merchandise that his three times too small and material that is equal to toilet paper.

[moon]

The Chinese Navy has mastered and possessed all the anti-submarine methods, including the Y-8 and Y-9 fixed-wing anti-submarine patrol aircraft equipped with spying tail needles, air-dropped sonar buoys, air-dropped anti-submarine torpedoes, and anti-submarine deep bombs. It is also equipped with air-dropped sonar buoys. Z-8 and Z-9 carrier-based helicopters with hanging sonar, air-dropped anti-submarine torpedoes and anti-submarine deep bombs, as well as various surface destroyers equipped with towed active and passive sonar arrays, anti-submarine rockets, and anti-submarine missiles. Coupled with the underwater submarine force, the Chinese Navy has initially established an anti-submarine system with relatively complete functions and firepower.


In addition to these traditional anti-submarine methods, China is also developing other anti-submarine detection methods, such as the laser detection system mentioned many times in the US media, which can be equipped on satellites to form a global anti-submarine detection capability. The construction of the Chinese submarine force and anti-submarine system complements the last shortcoming of the Chinese navy's combat capability. At the same time, this also means that the last combat style that the US Navy has overwhelming superiority over the Chinese Navy is disappearing. From now on, the US Navy will not have an overwhelming superiority over the Chinese Navy in various combat styles and combat fields. And the loss of this overwhelming advantage is the source of the sense of crisis in American media articles.


Submarine is the last equipment combat area where the United States maintains absolute superiority over China. With the advancement of China's anti-submarine capabilities and submarine technology, the absolute superiority in this field will also be lost. This is the most unacceptable point for the U.S. military.

Through analysis, it is not difficult to understand why the United States has such a sense of crisis in the areas where it is best and has the greatest advantage. With the advancement of the Chinese navy's technical level, the United States has lost its absolute technological advantages in various fields. When the United States no longer maintains absolute technological superiority over other countries, it is the source of America's greatest sense of crisis.

https://inf.news/en/military/a312fba...ef8ceda61.html

Anybody going to war with China in a submarine isn't coming back.
You can also bet your best hernia truss that there is secret Chinese anti-submarine technology that you won't discover until it no longer matters from your point of view.

It seems to me that Biden's ' plan' is the time-honored British convention of sending your allies in first. Brits and Aussies take note. If you want a fast lesson in American integrity take a look at Kabul.

[moon]

Ask yourself how civilized co-operation with the Chinese turned into bare-faced anti-Chinese enmity.