The God Equation

[Jack]

Why don't people say they are agnostic about Zeus? Zeus is a God. Because they start off believing Zeus is a belief by ancient Greeks.
Why pretend the Christian God is no less a cultural construction? Why pretend to be agnostic about that God?

This is a good point.

BP: "Why pretend the Christian God is no less a cultural construction? Why pretend to be agnostic about that God?"
Jack: 'Agnostic' isn't 'culturally specific'. 'God' could take many forms.

Jesus, the 'Man-God', is pretty easy to dismiss. Every Emperor, Czar, Pharaoh, and King, claimed to be descended from 'God'. Not many believe that Storyline any more. Well, maybe the North Koreans.

[Jack]

I think you are missing his point. You clearly have an idea of God and what God existing means. You only imagine the negation as its opposite.

I can only imagine 'God' as being a 'Creator Force'. Other than that, I have no idea.

[BidenPresident]

This is a good point.

BP: "Why pretend the Christian God is no less a cultural construction? Why pretend to be agnostic about that God?"
Jack: 'Agnostic' isn't 'culturally specific'. 'God' could take many forms.

So you believe Zeus is a real God, at least no one has proven Zeus does not exist?

[Jack]

So you believe Zeus is a real God, at least no one has proven Zeus does not exist?

I will refer you back to the definition of 'Agnostic'.

[BidenPresident]

I can only imagine 'God' as being a 'Creator Force'. Other than that, I have no idea.

Then, what would count as proof that this "Creator Force" exists or not?

[BidenPresident]

I will refer you back to the definition of 'Agnostic'.

I see. You believe Zeus could be a real God.

[Jack]

Then, what would count as proof that this "Creator Force" exists or not?

When somebody can prove it.

[BidenPresident]

When somebody can prove it.

And I ask what the criteria would be.

[Jack]

I see. You believe Zeus could be a real God.

I tend to favor the Sun God.
(not sure if this is because the Sun God was the most adopted by the Ancients, ... or because I'm from Southern California?)

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[Jack]

And I ask what the criteria would be.

You seem to know. Tell us YOUR Theory.

[BidenPresident]

You seem to know. Tell us YOUR Theory.

You said you were waiting for proof. I think I asked a pretty straightforward question about what counts as proof.

[Jack]

You said you were waiting for proof. I think I asked a pretty straightforward question about what counts as proof.

Well, there's lots of things that would be 'proof'.
'Evolution' is proved because of the weight of the evidence.
So far, I'm an agnostic on the Question.

You seem to be certain of something. Care to explain? Or is it too complex and technical for the Little People?

[BidenPresident]

Well, there's lots of things that would be 'proof'.
'Evolution' is proved because of the weight of the evidence.
So far, I'm an agnostic on the Question.

You seem to be certain of something. Care to explain? Or is it too complex and technical for the Little People?

I am not an agnostic. And I do not think the existence of God is even the right way to think about God. That was invented around 1400 to force people to join the Church.

[goat]

According to the Oxford dictionary, belief is somewhat stronger than baseless opinion, but does not reach the level of an object of knowledge.

It is somewhere in between those two end points.

Therefore, when someone says they believe in natural law, in god, in a certain moral code, I myself cannot really quibble with that, or proceed to explain to them how wrong they are.

Just my two cents

The laws of motion are natural laws that give researchers a place to start experiments. There are a few boundaries that normally can't be violated but can evolve.

[Jack]

I am not an agnostic. And I do not think the existence of God is even the right way to think about God. That was invented around 1400 to force people to join the Church.

'God/Gods' have been around since Man evolved. Every Culture on the Planet has their own 'Storyline' of how everything was 'Created'. They are all very fanciful, creative, interesting, and tell something about the Locals.
You seem to be stuck in some 'Christian' mindset of what 'God' is.