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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    We’ve had major demographic changes in America over the past 30 plus years. Huge Hispanic influx and now larger Asian and Indian populations. If I understand history immigrants tend to come to the cities right? This why we see so many former black dominated cities have a near Hispanic majority today.

    Being a real estate guy I find this all very fascinating. (There’s a big political element to this as well.)
    I have seen stories about some small cities in areas that have a declining population and businesses that have been saved by a large influx of immigrants from Africa/Asia. One example is Ulukaya who bought an old Kraft Yogurt factory in a small NY town and began the very successful Chobani Greek yougurt businesses. (later sued by his ex-wife for 53% of the business).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    I have seen stories about some small cities in areas that have a declining population and businesses that have been saved by a large influx of immigrants from Africa/Asia. One example is Ulukaya who bought an old Kraft Yogurt factory in a small NY town and began the very successful Chobani Greek yougurt businesses. (later sued by his ex-wife for 53% of the business).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    This is a demographic trend which I was not aware and find surprising.
    There is a movie titled "The Last Black Man in San Francisco." I saw the preview, and it is about two black brothers trying to keep their family home in San Francisco, where they grew up. Blacks are having more and more trouble affording the higher costs of living in Blue State cities. Blue State cities have high economic efficiency, but limited real estate growth. This leads to high demand with no almost growth of supply. For every 5 jobs created in New York City, there has only been one apartment built.

    The higher prices are driving Blacks out. There is a move of Blacks back to the South (100 years after their ancestors fled). This means less productive jobs, but cheaper living. It also hurts the vibrancy of the Blue State cities.

    The Pandemic might be reversing this trend, which would be a welcome silver lining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    There is a movie titled "The Last Black Man in San Francisco." I saw the preview, and it is about two black brothers trying to keep their family home in San Francisco, where they grew up. Blacks are having more and more trouble affording the higher costs of living in Blue State cities. Blue State cities have high economic efficiency, but limited real estate growth. This leads to high demand with no almost growth of supply. For every 5 jobs created in New York City, there has only been one apartment built.

    The higher prices are driving Blacks out. There is a move of Blacks back to the South (100 years after their ancestors fled). This means less productive jobs, but cheaper living. It also hurts the vibrancy of the Blue State cities.

    The Pandemic might be reversing this trend, which would be a welcome silver lining.
    Good movie. White liberals driving out lower economic Americans is a common story over the past 40 years. Remember the Yuppies? LOL

    Old thinking is workers tied to factories to make widgets. New thinking is training people to do things machines can't do. Mainly think and create.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    There is a movie titled "The Last Black Man in San Francisco." I saw the preview, and it is about two black brothers trying to keep their family home in San Francisco, where they grew up. Blacks are having more and more trouble affording the higher costs of living in Blue State cities. Blue State cities have high economic efficiency, but limited real estate growth. This leads to high demand with no almost growth of supply. For every 5 jobs created in New York City, there has only been one apartment built.

    The higher prices are driving Blacks out. There is a move of Blacks back to the South (100 years after their ancestors fled). This means less productive jobs, but cheaper living. It also hurts the vibrancy of the Blue State cities.

    The Pandemic might be reversing this trend, which would be a welcome silver lining.
    What you say is accurate but I'm rather shocked to see someone on the left say it. The reality for awhile has been coastal cities have become very bifurcated; lots of rich, lots of poor and a shrinking number of people in between and black people have been heavily represented among those priced out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    What you say is accurate but I'm rather shocked to see someone on the left say it. The reality for awhile has been coastal cities have become very bifurcated; lots of rich, lots of poor and a shrinking number of people in between and black people have been heavily represented among those priced out.
    Democrats love to push the myth that only the Republican rich get richer. Sure, most of the super rich are Republicans, but as the Tech Lords are proving, there's a lot of super rich Democrats too.

    It's not just "black people" suffering. They suffer disproportionately but the suffering is spread across all of those stuck at a lower economic level and can't get out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Blow wrote a column a few months back arguing black people in Northern Cities should move back to the South and specifically a state like Georgia. (Georgia does make sense since you can argue Atlanta is the black capital of the country.) His position was with a black majority blacks could dominate the state legislature and create a more positive environment for themselves.

    Black people may vote close to 90% Democratic but they still aren't completely monolithic. I'm not sure what policy differences a majority black Democratic majority would implement compared to a Democratic majority composed of whites, Hispanics, Asians and blacks.

    It's not for me to say they can't try this. Assuming you can afford it people are free to move where ever they want. If black people want to make Georgia a majority black state then more power to them.
    You are basically making the case for creating Black ethnostates in America. I agree 100%. In a Black ethnostate/s the Blacks get to set up their own governmental , political, legal, economic institions; they are free to express their own celebrate their own (native) culture; they are wholly autonomous and responsible for their own affairs. White America does not interfere in any way with the functioning of the Black ethnostate. That means no Welfare checks or white government benefits of any kind, no Affirmative Action and so. If they wanted Coca - Cola and "Big Macs" and lap-tops and iPhones and Netflix and good quality medical care that's not a problem; BUT they would need to purchase such White Western goods and services from Whitey at their White market value with their own money.


    If, in the Black ethnostate/s, the brothers wanted to: blow each others' brains out by the dozen on Saturday night with handguns/rifles; get hooked on speed and opiods, and let (what Whitey would call) "crimes" like: prostitution, aggravated assault, robbery, arson; vandalism, looting, sexual assault/rape take place with impunity, that's totally THEIR BUSINESS. If the citzens of the Black ethnostates decided to: do away with educational institutions like schools and Universities; or to abolish law enforcement officers ("Ban Da Po -lice); have Black Judges and all-Black juries to dispense justice those who were alleged to have broken their own Black laws (whatever they might be), or if, say, they wanted to completely abolish prisons - SO BE IT !! It is none of Whitey's business, and Whitey does not need- (or in the vast majority of cases I would expect) - WANT to know about any of it. AND THAT INCLUDES when the US Black Ethnonstate/s promptly and inescapably degenerate into savage, filthy and brutal "Hells on Earth." When that happens DON'T ASK WHITEY-YANKEE TO COME BAIL YOU OUT AND CLEAN UP THE GIANT F**KING MESS YOU'VE MADE . Because it's absolutely nothing to do with him The White Yankee would be able to say: "Sorry, man. We are not responsible for ANY of the legion, dire problems you have created. We were minding our own business in our own White ethnostate, we had nothing whatsoever to do with it. You said you didn't want to live under white law and white police brutality; white capitalist "exploitatation" and white supremacist racism, or have to be exposed to the inherent evils of white Western culture, etc; so you got your way. You got what you had always been crying out for: an independent, wholly autonomous, sovereign Black, ethnostate in America, so if it had fucked up big time, that's YOUR problen now, dude - NOT OURS. And NO, we are NOT going to fly in tomorrow and clean up any of your shit."




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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Good movie. White liberals driving out lower economic Americans is a common story over the past 40 years. Remember the Yuppies? LOL

    Old thinking is workers tied to factories to make widgets. New thinking is training people to do things machines can't do. Mainly think and create.
    All true, but also the well off are driving out the most innovative. If you want to start a punk band, you can no longer do it in Manhattan. If you want to invent the next generation of tech, on the cheap, you cannot do it in Silicon Valley. These are places where exchange of information needed for innovation is easier, but they are also too expensive for the prime innovators. It is literally choking the economy.

    I am hopeful when I hear of dropping rents from Covid-19 in Silicon Valley/San Francisco, and NYC. We might free up our innovators a bit, and that could cause major prosperity to our economy...

    Or maybe not.

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    According to the alt right posters here, my image of Australia as being a great place to live is all wrong. Apparently there is mass genocide of the white Australians, and Australia is worse than Afghanistan. Are you asking for help getting out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    What you say is accurate but I'm rather shocked to see someone on the left say it. The reality for awhile has been coastal cities have become very bifurcated; lots of rich, lots of poor and a shrinking number of people in between and black people have been heavily represented among those priced out.
    It is not even bifurcation anymore. There is not enough room for the middle class, or even the poor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    This is a demographic trend which I was not aware and find surprising.

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    The term “inner city” has long been used as a derisive euphemism for Black — poor, blighted and in distress. But many inner cities in the North and West are becoming less and less Black because Black people are moving out.

    For example, according to estimates by William Frey, a demographer at the Brookings Institution, the Black population of Washington, which for more than half a century was a majority Black city, fell below 50 percent in 2011.

    In 2018, a church elder, Jeanne D. Cooper, told The Washington Post that the District of Columbia used to be called “Chocolate City.” She continued, “Now it’s Chocolate Chip City.” Her historic Black church, Lincoln Congregational Temple United Church of Christ, which was founded just after the Civil War in 1869, was being forced to close because of gentrification and low attendance.

    According to the most recent census data, the Black population of D.C. fell to 41 percent in 2020.

    The dwindling of the Black population in what had come to be Black strongholds is happening all over the country, either because of pricing pressure for housing spurred by gentrification or the reverse migration wave of Black people from the North and West moving back to the South.

    This has been a boon for Black power in many of the places to which Black people have moved, but there has been another undeniable impact — a vanishing of culture and a hollowing out of power in the places they fled.

    The Black share of the population of Oakland, Calif., the birthplace of the Black Panthers, has fallen from 44 percent in 1990 to just 20 percent in 2020, a drop of over half in just 30 years.

    Detroit, once the Blackest big city in America, home of Motown, dropped from 82 percent Black in 2010 to 77 percent Black in 2020. The Hispanic, white and Asian populations all grew in the city over that period.

    New York City, with two million Black residents, more than any other city in America, saw its Black population fall by 4.5 percent over the past decade. This came on the heels of the Black population declining 5.1 percent the previous decade, the first drop in the number of Black residents in recent history.

    Perhaps no neighborhood embodies this Black flight, or Black displacement, in New York City more than Harlem, one of the most famous historically Black neighborhoods in America.

    As The New York Times reported in 2010, after Harlem lost its majority Black designation: “The number of Blacks living in greater Harlem hit a high of 341,000 in 1950, but their share of the population didn’t peak until 1970, when they made up 64 percent of the residents. In 2008, there were 153,000 Blacks in greater Harlem, and they made up 41 percent of the population.”

    In the 2020 census, the Black population of Harlem fell even further and now accounts for just 37 percent of the total.

    Chicago, a major destination for Black people during the Great Migration, has seen its Black population decimated. As NPR reported last year: “In 1980, decades of Black population growth in Chicago stopped and reversed. By 2016, Chicago’s Black population had decreased by 350,000 from its peak level of nearly 1.2 million in 1980.”
    The 2020 census showed that Chicago’s Black population fell by roughly 85,000 from 2010, a decline of nearly 10 percent.

    Philadelphia also saw a drop in its Black population, with The Philadelphia Inquirer writing, “The decline in Philadelphia’s Black population — a loss of about 30,500 people — is the city’s steepest in history.”

    In 2010, Black people were the largest racial group in Philadelphia. That is no longer true. Now white people are.
    Even before this census, The Los Angeles Times was reporting on a Black exodus from Western cities like Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle and Portland, Ore., writing, “West Coast progressive enclaves are either seeing an exodus of Blacks or are failing to attract them.”

    Whether Black people are moving to the suburbs or the South, they are changing what Black America is and where Black culture is expressed and Black power is exerted.

    These shifts don’t mean that there are now fewer cities with Black majorities; the number is on the rise, as Brookings pointed out in 2019. It’s just that 90 percent of majority Black cities are now in the South. In fact, I think it would be safe to say that much of the municipal South is Black.
    How's about trailer park, in particular, anti vax and anti mask cities that are sold out to tRump and his gutter insurrectionist atrocities. No high flag your dumfounded and fake so-called supremacist hide can project on this reality:

    America’s Republicans Are Killing Their Voters

    Despite mounting evidence that vaccination leads to lower COVID-19 mortality rates, many in the US remain skeptical, if not downright hostile. An analysis of the data that isolates the causal effect of voting patterns clearly shows the heightened danger Republicans face.

    Since then, the formula has become a cliché – precisely because it often makes a pretty good point. Today, for example, one might point out: “If we can produce vaccines that drastically decrease the transmission and severity of COVID-19, we surely are capable of ending the pandemic.” And yet, we have so far been unable to do so, largely because people simply refuse to be vaccinated.

    To be sure, in some cases – especially in lower-income countries – the primary impediment to large-scale immunization is limited vaccine availability. But in a country like the US, the main problem is vaccine hesitancy, even hostility. Although the Food and Drug Administration has granted emergency approval to three vaccines – a process that demands rigorous testing – many are convinced they are still “experimental,” and thus unsafe."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    According to the alt right posters here, my image of Australia as being a great place to live is all wrong. Apparently there is mass genocide of the white Australians, and Australia is worse than Afghanistan. Are you asking for help getting out?

    One big problem we have is that young people, say, aged 30 years old, have been priced out of the housing market. They cannot afford to buy a home of their own because the price of housing is extortionate. When I was 30 (years ago), I was working as a teacher and on a pretty modest salary, but it was still POSSIBLE for me to organize the finance I needed to buy a family home. I think the fact that young married couples no longer have that option (unless they have wealthy parents) is absolutely disgraceful, and there is no acceptable justification for it, IMO.


    Australia is about 70% White Western European at present, and I am not aware of any kind of White genocide in progress. Your own people, the native White Anglo descended American Yankee are, however, staring down the rifle barrel of extinction. That is a consequence of (1) LBJ's mass-immigration Act of 1965 which opened your borders to coloured, Third World immigrants and (2) the African slaves that were bought to the "New World in the early 17th century. Lincoln knew they would never be capable of assimilating harmoniously into White Yankee society so he adopted a policy of deporting them all from the US in order to prevent future social (race) conflict. Unfortunately John Wilkes Booth (a Democrat) assassinated him before he could get his deportation programme up and running. African-Americans now number around 12,000,000. This relatively small proportion of the total number of American citizens is wildly out of proportion to to the grief, violence, crime, social turmoil, and burden they have placed on the resources of the US Welfare State (the ordinary, Yankee tax-payer). Lincoln, in short, was a very prescient man. As for my country, the native aboriginal peoples of Australia number around 500,000 in a total national population of 25,000,000. When the English first arrived to colonise Australia in the 1780, they studied the aboriginals are correctltly determined that they were literally a "Stone Age" hunter-gather people. Their story is a tragic one, because, of course, a Stone - Age tribesman would never be capable of smoothly integrating into an advanced Western society and it institutions and culture. And that has proved to be the case to this very day.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Dachshund View Post
    One big problem we have is that young people, say, aged 30 years old, have been priced out of the housing market.
    Sounds like Switzerland where 98% of the people are renters... That is not worse than Afghanistan. It certainly does not sound like millions of people are dying.

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    Top 5 richest Americans.


    #1 | Jeff Bezos. NET WORTH: $ 177 BILLION. ...
    #2 | Elon Musk. NET WORTH: $151 BILLION. ...
    #3 | Bill Gates. NET WORTH: $124 BILLION. ...
    #4 | Mark Zuckerberg. NET WORTH: $97 BILLION. ...
    #5 | Warren Buffett. NET WORTH: $96 BILLION.

    All Democrats

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    Top 5 richest Americans.


    #1 | Jeff Bezos. NET WORTH: $ 177 BILLION. ...
    #2 | Elon Musk. NET WORTH: $151 BILLION. ...
    #3 | Bill Gates. NET WORTH: $124 BILLION. ...
    #4 | Mark Zuckerberg. NET WORTH: $97 BILLION. ...
    #5 | Warren Buffett. NET WORTH: $96 BILLION.

    All Democrats
    All self made rich. They did not inherit their money, like trump did. And you say they are all Democrats... I guess Democrats are just better at business.

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