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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Dillon View Post
    For one thing, they stoned homosexuals to death.
    The Jews? Unfortunately yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Ezekiel 16:49-50
    New International Version
    49 “‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen."
    You seem particularly proud that you understand the etymology of the word "sodomy." Most intelligent people know its etymology...and are not especially proud that they know something any intelligent person should know.

    No mention of homosexuality.
    "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them shall be
    put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their
    lives."

    Leviticus 20:13

    No mention of homosexuality here either! In fact, no mention of homosexual activity either.

    BUT only an idiot would not understand what is being proscribed.



    As to the Leviticus laws, those were the health codes. They wandered in the desert and semen and water were precious. See Onan as an example.
    C'mon! There is no doubt whatsoever what is being proscribed in Leviticus 20:13...nor the punishment expected.

    Notice that those laws did not directly address homosexuality itself, just the act of wasting semen during anal sex? (One has to wonder why there is no mention of an anal sex with a woman)
    Gimme a break. It was NOT "just the act of wasting semen during anal sex." (I do not understand your question mark punctuation here.)

    And homosexual activity is not limited to just anal sex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    The Jews? Unfortunately yes.
    "Christians" were adherents of the teaching of Jesus.

    The early Christians were ALL Jews. Every one of them. The gentiles did not enter the picture until Paul came along...and Paul was late coming to the party.
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    New Testament was written in Greek.

    Greek has a more sophisticated vocabulary for expressing theological matters than did other languages.*

    Your garden variety bible thumper believes they have read the New Testament, when they actually haven't.

    They are reading a pale and imprecise translation in a vernacular language.



    * Source: William Cook, professor of religious history, State University of New York

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    I am pretty sure Jesus never said anything explicitly about abortion or gays.
    skipping straight to the punch line...

    He didn't need to say anything about it as it was already defined an sin as was so much else.
    He didn't invent Christianity because he was a jew and made no effort to be anything other than a jew.
    But he did claim to be the Messiah the jews were waiting for.
    They were not ok with this. Their reasons were their own.
    The rest is history.

    All the various denominations and sects have their problems mainly because they all have their own take on things. The one thing many fail to account for is that none of them are necessary as salvation comes solely from Christ Jesus, not from any man, idol, building or rite.

    So put your faith in the Savior, ascribe to any sect that is comfortable for you (or none at all) and you will be in good hands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    He didn't need to say anything about it as it was already defined an sin as was so much else.
    He did not talk much about what many Christians obsess on: Family relations and being married, abortion, gays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    He did not talk much about what many Christians obsess on: Family relations and being married, abortion, gays.
    Because they were already addressed.
    He did not invent a new list of sins nor did he declassify any existing ones. He was a jew and those things already existed and remained.
    What he DID do was offer up a new Testament, a new way to salvation via his personal sacrifice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    skipping straight to the punch line...

    He didn't need to say anything about it as it was already defined an sin as was so much else.
    He didn't invent Christianity because he was a jew and made no effort to be anything other than a jew.
    But he did claim to be the Messiah the jews were waiting for.
    They were not ok with this. Their reasons were their own.
    The rest is history.

    All the various denominations and sects have their problems mainly because they all have their own take on things. The one thing many fail to account for is that none of them are necessary as salvation comes solely from Christ Jesus, not from any man, idol, building or rite.

    So put your faith in the Savior, ascribe to any sect that is comfortable for you (or none at all) and you will be in good hands.
    My understanding is that Christianity is not a religion about Jesus' Jewish heritage.

    It is about what Jesus 'life meant.

    In that sense, Christianity is the religion of Paul, Augustine, and the early church fathers. Specifically, how they interpreted Jesus 'life and revelation.

    To emulate Jesus meant to practice charity, mercy, humility, non-violence, pacifism, and universal love.

    Salvation depends on faith and grace. Not on following the Jewish law of Torah.

    In early Christianity, there was even a question whether the Jewish Tanakh even was to be considered canonical scripture.

    The Jewish bible was ultimately accepted as scriptural, largely because it supposedly prophesized the life of Jesus, and because having ancient scripture as part of your new religion gave Christianity legitimacy in a Roman Empire which tended to view novel new religious cults with suspicion.

    According to Paul, there was no expectation for gentiles to follow the Jewish law, even though Tanakh had good ethical wisdom in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    My understanding is that Christianity is not a religion about Jesus' Jewish heritage.

    It is about what Jesus 'life meant.

    In that sense, Christianity is the religion of Paul, Augustine, and the early church fathers. Specifically, how they interpreted Jesus 'life and revelation.

    To emulate Jesus meant to practice charity, mercy, humility, non-violence, pacifism, and universal love.

    Salvation depends on faith and grace. Not on following the Jewish law of Torah.

    In early Christianity, there was even a question whether the Jewish Tanakh even was to be considered canonical scripture.

    The Jewish bible was ultimately accepted as scriptural, largely because it supposedly prophesized the life of Jesus, and because having ancient scripture as part of your new religion gave Christianity legitimacy in a Roman Empire which tended to view novel new religious cults with suspicion.

    According to Paul, there was no expectation for gentiles to follow the Jewish law, even though Tanakh had good ethical wisdom in it.
    Well Jesus upon granting forgiveness would tell them to go forth and sin no more.
    Sin was defined already so no real question about that.
    But you DO have to repent your sins to obtain your salvation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    Well Jesus upon granting forgiveness would tell them to go forth and sin no more.
    Sin was defined already so no real question about that.
    But you DO have to repent your sins to obtain your salvation.
    Wow, sounds like a dumb religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Wow, sounds like a dumb religion.
    Yes I know your team prefers ones that throw homosexuals off buildings, beating women and fucking goats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    Yes I know your team prefers ones that throw homosexuals off buildings, beating women and fucking goats.
    No idea what you're talking about. Are all Christians as stupid as you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    No idea what you're talking about. Are all Christians as stupid as you?
    hmm lets see....
    YOU cannot figure this out and I'm stupid ?

    go back to your crayons
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    hmm lets see....
    YOU cannot figure this out and I'm stupid ?

    go back to your crayons
    You're a jerk, figured that out.

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