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    Quote Originally Posted by katzgar View Post
    this is from your own link dumbass..." demonstrating that promoting community mask-wearing can improve public health" the fact that you are a moron is now clearer than ever
    By a tiny amount as the actual science and data shows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    By a tiny amount as the actual science and data shows.
    The fact that your brain is pus is beyond dispute. Ne one ever said face masks stop the disease. You are just a troll.
    Why Biden? Because Fuck You that's why. Barack Obama has a Grammy, an Emmy, a Nobel Prize, 2 terms as President and a Twitter account.

    Donald Trump has 2 impeachments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katzgar View Post
    The fact that your brain is pus is beyond dispute. Ne one ever said face masks stop the disease. You are just a troll.
    Gardner is a troll. I stopped taking him seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy View Post
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    Democrats Are Issue Driven; Republicans Obsess With Image

    Is this the lead-in for some cheap backroom stand-up comedy routine ??? If not, it should be ... it's a hilarious line !!!

    agreed, all you guys have is hate
    Why Biden? Because Fuck You that's why. Barack Obama has a Grammy, an Emmy, a Nobel Prize, 2 terms as President and a Twitter account.

    Donald Trump has 2 impeachments.

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    Hello T. A. ,

    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Same thing here. The Democrats do what's popular and don't follow the science.

    Masks don't work for example. Sure, there are over 100 studies (I found one site that listed 56 of these for example) that show masks work in a laboratory setting under test conditions. Then there are roughly half-dozen where the researchers looked at actual populations of masked and unmasked individuals and their rate of Chinese Disease contraction. They found an insignificant difference. So, masks work in laboratory test conditions but fail in real life conditions meaning they make little or no difference in how people are contracting Chinese Disease.

    It was a Republican that pushed through the quick development of a vaccine and got over a million doses in people's arm. Then Biden and the Democrats took over and turned the whole thing into a clusterfuck. Now Biden is calling for a third shot for a booster even as the CDC says they're unsure. Most recently several top people at the CDC resigned in protest of Biden's unscientific, political move.
    I challenge you to find one scientific study which calls the coronavirus "Chinese disease." Just ONE.

    Simply the act of using that term shows bias, deflating any accompanying argument.
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    Hello Flash,

    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Democrats have distorted one-sided views of the two parties.
    Republicans tend to listen to other Republicans describe distorted Democratic positions on issues.

    Thus, the vast majority of Republicans really have no idea what Democrats' positions are.

    If Republicans want to know where Democrats are on issues, they need to actually listen to Democrats.
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    Hello T. A.,

    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Maybe you could find one or two to help you with your replies...

    Here's the latest demolition of masks as effective:

    https://www.poverty-action.org/sites...ity_083121.pdf



    That was using N95 surgical masks, not cloth masks. A slight decrease in rate of infection. Masks don't work because they aren't changing the primary vectors by which people are catching Chinese Disease.
    Your link says the mask wearing worked!

    "Conclusions: Our intervention demonstrates a scalable and effective method to promote mask
    adoption and reduce symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections."


    A notable decrease in infection was scientifically shown. And that was surprising because they didn't even get half the subjects to wear masks or participate in distancing. I'm actually pleasantly encouraged by those results because it might have been expected that almost no benefit would result with so few individuals wearing masks. The reason for that is that mask wearing protects others far more than it protects the mask wearer. They probably got this scalable effect because they used N95 masks.

    If a decrease in infection was recorded, that translates into fewer deaths.

    Fewer deaths is fewer deaths.

    I'm sorry, but the inconvenience of objectors is not more important than the lives of others.

    All lives matter.
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    Hello T. A. Gardner,

    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    I'd say that's a poor example. If you look at say, the New Green Deal, it's more about social and economic change moving to the Left than solving anything to do with the climate. The Democrats say they want to fix all those things they claim are caused by anthropomorphic climate change, but then their chosen solutions are all based on ignoring science, populism, and Leftist economic and social theory.

    For example, there is now overwhelming evidence that solar and wind are an unworkable solution to a nation's energy needs. They are costly, polluting, and result in an unstable grid. They push battery cars even as fuel cell vehicles running on hydrogen or ammonia would be a far better and more workable solution. The "millions of great jobs" associated with this have failed to materialize.
    At the same time, the Democrats push more public transit (even as it goes largely unused most places), higher urban density (leading to more urban heat island effects and concentration of pollution), and socializing the economy. These are all favorites of the Left. The most glaring example is the push for railroads and trains. These simply don't work in a large nation like the US. Distances are too great, the cost of right-of-way too high, and the time spent in transit too high to be cost effective.

    The most extreme effects of climate change have failed to appear because they were never going to appear. The so-called climate scientists fudged their data for decades for political and personal gain. We've seen it again and again.

    Climate change doesn't poll well because it isn't taken seriously, but rather used for political and economic gain by those pushing it.
    Public transit is very heavily used. If you think otherwise, please show something to support that claim?

    Trains are the most efficient mode of transportation, far less fuel or cost than planes or individual autos. Show the average traveler the seat they will have on a train and the one they get on a plane and ask them which they prefer. Be sure to mention that in the smaller one you will be strapped in and confined to your seat, but in the larger more comfortable one you will also be allowed to get up and wander about as you please.

    The right erroneously takes cherry-picked examples of scientists who made mistakes to claim this represents all of climate science. It does not. The overwhelming vast majority of science agrees we are in a Climate Crisis.

    Ford and Chevy are coming out with electric pick up trucks. A brand new auto maker called Rivian is also about to produce one, as well as electric delivery trucks for Amazon, because it will be a cost savings as well as a reduction of fossil fuels.

    I support new tech safe nuclear power to produce electricity. I like the traveling wave reactor design which uses spent fuel from old tech reactors, and cannot have a melt down.

    If 1st generation wind and solar has had issues, that is normal and expected. The standard engineering process is to learn from initial attempts and improve the next generation. The Wright Brothers didn't build an A380 in their first attempt. I salute the thousands of Americans who have virtually no electric bill because panels on their roof generate all their power. That is with current technology, and the field continues to improve in efficiency.

    We cannot continue to extract fossil fuels and burn them without causing increased negative effects on the climate. Newton's Third Law states: For ever action there is an equal and opposite reaction. There is no way around this. Burning things for energy is now antiquated. It must stop.

    The effects have materialized and they are going to get worse. Hurricanes are more frequent and they build up stronger because the water is warmer. Heat waves are setting records every year. Wildfires are more intense than anything we've seen. Record extreme wildfires in recent years. Sea levels are rising because the glaciers are melting faster.

    The UN just released a study showing that extreme weather disasters are 5 times more prevalent than in the 1970's.

    Millions of green jobs have already been created and will continue.

    Here's 20 Green Jobs paying up to 90K per year:

    "1. Recycling worker

    National average salary: $12.87 per hour

    Primary duties: Recycling workers sort, process and recycle various materials and products. They also separate certain products, remove hazardous materials and operate shredders to recycle parts of old appliances or products for future use.
    2. Refuse collector

    National average salary: $14.39 per hour

    Primary duties: Also known as a "garbage man," a refuse collector picks up trash and recycled items following a specific route in a city or town. They drive around using a garbage or recycling truck and use it to pick up waste along their designated route.
    3. Agricultural equipment technician

    National average salary: $17.14 per hour

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    4. Environmental technician

    National average salary: $17.14 per hour

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    5. Solar installer

    National average salary: $19.46 per hour

    Primary duties: Also known as photovoltaic installers, solar installers install solar panels on various businesses, homes or plots of land. As they install these panels, they ensure they meet safety codes.
    6. Wind turbine technician

    National average salary: $22.64 per hour

    Primary duties: Wind turbine technicians inspect and repair wind turbine towers. They ensure the turbines are functioning and maintaining their physical integrity. Wind turbine technicians also test various components and systems including those that are electrical or mechanical.
    7. Farm manager

    National average salary: $49,527 per year

    Primary duties: Farm managers have several tasks that involve the general maintenance of a farm. Some of their responsibilities include overseeing the farm staff, crops and livestock. They also purchase necessary supplies and manage the budget with the aim of yielding a profit.
    8. Environmental specialist

    National average salary: $52,790 per year

    Primary duties: Environmental specialists determine how outside forces affect the environment. They identify these issues and find solutions to improve the environment overall. To do this, they put their analytical, communication and problem-solving skills to use.
    9. Water resources engineer

    National average salary: $54,950 per year

    Primary duties: Water resources engineers design and implement water and waste treatment systems like dams and reservoirs. Their work is an extension of civil engineering. Water resources engineers also foresee project costs and compliance with various safety regulations.
    10. Landscape architect

    National average salary: $66,535 per year

    Primary duties: Landscape architects design the landscape for homes, gardens, buildings and facilities. They meet with clients, engineers and other architects to assess the work that needs to be done. Based on their meetings, they prepare a site plan and determine a project's cost and specifications.

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    11. Environmental scientist

    National average salary: $68,099 per year

    Primary duties: Environmental scientists determine potential threats to the environment by collecting air, soil, water and food samples. They analyze the data and other research to evaluate the negative impacts on the Earth. Based on their research, they create a plan to prevent and or fix these environmental problems from reoccurring.
    12. Air quality engineer

    National average salary: $70,157 per year

    Primary duties: Air quality engineers monitor and test the quality of the air to pinpoint hazards or toxins. If they find any environmental threats, they create a plan to fix the situation and prevent poor air quality in the future.
    13. Compliance officer

    National average salary: $77,075 per year

    Primary duties: Compliance officers working within the environmental sector ensure obedience to environmental laws. This includes laws for water, gas, oil and energy. Compliance officers also offer assistance to environmental systems and projects.
    14. Environmental manager

    National average salary: $77,280 per year

    Primary duties: Environmental managers promote sustainability by overseeing the environmental actions of various companies and organizations. They ensure these companies follow environmental laws regarding waste, air quality and other natural resources.
    15. Environmental engineer

    National average salary: $81,259 per year

    Primary duties: Environmental engineers create solutions for various environmental issues through the use of chemistry, biology and soil science. They help solve problems related to water pollution, air quality, recycling and other environmental matters.

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    16. Environmental health and safety officer

    National average salary: $85,878 per year

    Primary duties: Environmental health and safety officers create and implement health and safety plans and oversee related documentation and data. They evaluate the environment and ensure compliance with government safety regulations. Environmental health and safety officers also collect hazardous materials samples and recommend changes that can help create a better environment overall.
    17. Energy manager

    National average salary: $87,559 per year

    Primary duties: Energy managers monitor the energy efficiency of a company, organization or facility. They evaluate their conservation practices and monitor their energy consumption to create a plan that can improve overall energy efficiency.
    18. Sustainability engineer

    National average salary: $91,726 per year

    Primary duties: Sustainability engineers create products, buildings and various systems to meet a set of sustainability standards or specifications. They also ensure these projects use energy sustainably.
    19. Nuclear engineer

    National average salary: $94,826 per year

    Primary duties: Nuclear engineers develop, monitor and operate nuclear plants that produce power. They ensure these plants are functioning and that the design, construction and overall operational practices meet necessary safety regulations.

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    National average salary: $87,342 per year

    Primary duties: Civil engineers supervise and design major public construction projects. They also ensure project feasibility by evaluating their budget demands and design practicality."
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Flash,

    Republicans tend to listen to other Republicans describe distorted Democratic positions on issues.

    Thus, the vast majority of Republicans really have no idea what Democrats' positions are.

    If Republicans want to know where Democrats are on issues, they need to actually listen to Democrats.
    Agreed. Both parties have very distorted views of the other--the worst part is that they both spew hate about the other.

    Even those who are well informed have inaccurate views of the other--the percent of members who are gay, who make over $150,000, and other characteristics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Gardner is a troll. I stopped taking him seriously.
    I don't take any of them seriously they're all trolls and as far as I'm concerned they're all just Open season
    Why Biden? Because Fuck You that's why. Barack Obama has a Grammy, an Emmy, a Nobel Prize, 2 terms as President and a Twitter account.

    Donald Trump has 2 impeachments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Democrats have distorted one-sided views of the two parties.
    Lol, both sides have stumbled into mediocrity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello T. A. ,



    I challenge you to find one scientific study which calls the coronavirus "Chinese disease." Just ONE.

    Simply the act of using that term shows bias, deflating any accompanying argument.
    That's what I call it. If you don't like it, too bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello T. A.,



    Your link says the mask wearing worked!

    "Conclusions: Our intervention demonstrates a scalable and effective method to promote mask
    adoption and reduce symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections."


    A notable decrease in infection was scientifically shown. And that was surprising because they didn't even get half the subjects to wear masks or participate in distancing. I'm actually pleasantly encouraged by those results because it might have been expected that almost no benefit would result with so few individuals wearing masks. The reason for that is that mask wearing protects others far more than it protects the mask wearer. They probably got this scalable effect because they used N95 masks.

    If a decrease in infection was recorded, that translates into fewer deaths.

    Fewer deaths is fewer deaths.

    I'm sorry, but the inconvenience of objectors is not more important than the lives of others.

    All lives matter.
    They made an inconsequential difference. Their results (less than 1% difference) prove that. So, unless you are into the Church of Zero Tolerance the difference is inconsequential.

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    why do demmycrats pick such stupid issues?......
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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    They made an inconsequential difference. Their results (less than 1% difference) prove that. So, unless you are into the Church of Zero Tolerance the difference is inconsequential.
    You are literally the most pitiful moron on the planet. When you were a kid your parents told you to cover your mouth when you coughed or sneeze and you weren't smart enough you don't have the brains your two God damn stupid to go from that to wearing a mask.
    Why Biden? Because Fuck You that's why. Barack Obama has a Grammy, an Emmy, a Nobel Prize, 2 terms as President and a Twitter account.

    Donald Trump has 2 impeachments.

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