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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    He did?
    Yes, he did. Tours in Vietnam are one year long. Kerry fenagled a way to get three purple hearts--almost anyone with three would be a cripple with serious scars but Kerry can't show you even a small one--and used an obscure regulation to cut his tour short at just under 90 days and leave.

    I can read between the lines with Kerry having lots of experience with the Navy to pretty much know what that POS did. He was a Div O (Division Officer) on a destroyer after he was commissioned. This is a typical first duty assignment for an officer. It's not particularly interesting or self-promoting, it's a mundane job. Kerry didn't want that. He had political ambitions.
    So, he was looking through a copy of Link, the periodical publication at the time that listed all the billets (jobs) open in the Navy. He sees the one for Swift boats and a tour. He sees this as a way to get some heroic medals and such and make a name for himself he can use politically later. So, he applies and gets transferred.
    He gets a boat and then sets out to get the medals.

    You have to understand how awards like that are generated to know that Kerry gamed the system--repeatedly. Awards / medals start with a recommendation from an officer for that award. While it is frowned on, an officer can self-promote and put themselves in for one. Kerry did this with his. The next officer up would review this recommendation then approve or disapprove it. If approved it was forwarded up the chain. 95% of the time, from this point on it's just a bureaucratic function. In the 5% (give or take) the higher command might downgrade the award or disapprove it. These are rare but it happens.

    Anyway, Kerry embellished the narrative and got his recommendations approved. He must have known about the three purple heart thing as well. Using that he cut his tour short and left. Given he wasn't physically injured where he couldn't command, a more selfless officer would have stayed for the full tour as that would be the right thing to do. But Kerry had political ambitions and was now at least on paper, a war hero.

    Coming home, Kerry finds that war heroes are not the in thing they were a few years earlier. Instead, the anti-war hero is the politically popular thing. He shifts sides in that respect joining the VVAW etc., and becoming anti-war. When it becomes popular years later to be a war hero again, Kerry suddenly 'finds' the medals he tossed away supposedly in his anti-war hero years and puts them in his senate office. Now he becomes a war hero.

    The guy is a typical, mendacious, narcissistic POS. He'd sell you in a second to get ahead. He has no values or morals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Yes, he did. Tours in Vietnam are one year long. Kerry fenagled a way to get three purple hearts--almost anyone with three would be a cripple with serious scars but Kerry can't show you even a small one--and used an obscure regulation to cut his tour short at just under 90 days and leave.

    I can read between the lines with Kerry having lots of experience with the Navy to pretty much know what that POS did. He was a Div O (Division Officer) on a destroyer after he was commissioned. This is a typical first duty assignment for an officer. It's not particularly interesting or self-promoting, it's a mundane job. Kerry didn't want that. He had political ambitions.
    So, he was looking through a copy of Link, the periodical publication at the time that listed all the billets (jobs) open in the Navy. He sees the one for Swift boats and a tour. He sees this as a way to get some heroic medals and such and make a name for himself he can use politically later. So, he applies and gets transferred.
    He gets a boat and then sets out to get the medals.

    You have to understand how awards like that are generated to know that Kerry gamed the system--repeatedly. Awards / medals start with a recommendation from an officer for that award. While it is frowned on, an officer can self-promote and put themselves in for one. Kerry did this with his. The next officer up would review this recommendation then approve or disapprove it. If approved it was forwarded up the chain. 95% of the time, from this point on it's just a bureaucratic function. In the 5% (give or take) the higher command might downgrade the award or disapprove it. These are rare but it happens.

    Anyway, Kerry embellished the narrative and got his recommendations approved. He must have known about the three purple heart thing as well. Using that he cut his tour short and left. Given he wasn't physically injured where he couldn't command, a more selfless officer would have stayed for the full tour as that would be the right thing to do. But Kerry had political ambitions and was now at least on paper, a war hero.

    Coming home, Kerry finds that war heroes are not the in thing they were a few years earlier. Instead, the anti-war hero is the politically popular thing. He shifts sides in that respect joining the VVAW etc., and becoming anti-war. When it becomes popular years later to be a war hero again, Kerry suddenly 'finds' the medals he tossed away supposedly in his anti-war hero years and puts them in his senate office. Now he becomes a war hero.

    The guy is a typical, mendacious, narcissistic POS. He'd sell you in a second to get ahead. He has no values or morals.
    To me, that's a VERY loose definition of "cut & run."

    I always salute and thank any soldier who has put themselves in harm's way for the country. I may go after their politics, but I am purely grateful for their service. It matters not to me what political affiliation they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Largest, or one of the largest, airlifts in history -- corroborated by multiple media and military sources:





    Remarkable to me (if the numbers being reported are correct) is how many Afghanis US soldiers risked their lives to save. Supposedly, about 90 percent of the people airlifted were Afghani nationals.

    Kudos United States military!
    Apparently, Europe relied on USA to airlift their citizens

    Europe was unprepared and uncoordinated during the recent crisis in Afghanistan and had to rely on the US to help airlift citizens out of the country as the Taliban seized Kabul, a senior EU official said on Wednesday.

    Speaking at the Bled Strategic Forum in Slovenia, Michel said: “As a global economic and democratic power, can Europe be content with a situation where we are unable to ensure, unassisted, the evacuation of our citizens and those under threat because they have helped us?


    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.eur...s-eu-officials

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Largest, or one of the largest, airlifts in history -- corroborated by multiple media and military sources:



    Remarkable to me (if the numbers being reported are correct) is how many Afghanis US soldiers risked their lives to save. Supposedly, about 90 percent of the people airlifted were Afghani nationals.

    Kudos United States military!
    "Though it had no official name, the American air evacuation from Kabul, Afghanistan, was one of the largest such operations in history. Over the course of 16 flight days, U.S. forces alone ferried out an estimated 116,700 people"

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usa...amp/5658083001

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Pending any last minute disasters, arguably the largest and most masterful U S. Airlift in history.


    Less than 300 Americans left in Afghanistan

    As of Sunday, the U.S. has evacuated roughly 114,400 people from Afghanistan since Aug. 14,

    The airlift may have become the largest and fastest in U.S. military history, depending on how the total numbers carried on coalition aircraft are counted.

    https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2...-kabul/184870/

    https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-...-kabul-airport
    really is that why Biden left Americans and afghans who helped up and why he left billions in weapons there this is a democrat success lol Id hate to see a failure

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    Deplorables promised me beheadings and kidnappings of the last remaining American dual citizens in Afghanistan.

    This Deplorable prognostication appears to have been flagrantly ass-backwards wrong, and dual citizens and legal residents continue to trickle out on private flights or State Department organized charters.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.usn...%3fcontext=amp

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    Default The catastrophe that never was

    When conservatives practically guaranteed me kidnapping and beheading of Americans, they were either lying their flabby asses off, or they were utterly duped by Fox

    Only Three Americans Remain in Afghanistan

    WASHINGTON D.C., DC — More than three months after the U.S. pulled all of our military units out of Afghanistan, Sen. Angus King, I-Maine, said all but three Americans who wanted to leave that country have now been able to do so.

    That’s one of several pieces of information King brought back after a quick fact-finding trip to Pakistan and Qatar over the weekend.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.new...d-431ce16fb633

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    When conservatives practically guaranteed me kidnapped and beheaded Americans, they were either lying their flabby asses off, or they were utterly duped by Fox
    It doesn’t matter what facts you present, like everything else, the Trumpers aren’t going to believe it and continue to spread misinformation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    It doesn’t matter what facts you present, like everything else, the Trumpers aren’t going to believe it and continue to spread misinformation.
    Trumpers do not write the history books yet. 20 years from now Biden's airlift from Afghanistan will be a footnote in the history books, and not the epic clusterfuck for the ages middle aged and elderly white men on jpp.com wish it were.

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    The fact that Biden's tenure so far is viewed poorly by some is a tribute to Fox. Constant propaganda works.

    In truth, Biden ended a war, and the economy is doing well & improving with each passing month. I don't personally think he has been a great President or any kind of transformational visionary - but he's certainly a solid President, and doing a good job in unprecedented circumstances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Pending any last minute disasters, arguably the largest and most masterful U S. Airlift in history.


    Less than 300 Americans left in Afghanistan

    As of Sunday, the U.S. has evacuated roughly 114,400 people from Afghanistan since Aug. 14,

    The airlift may have become the largest and fastest in U.S. military history, depending on how the total numbers carried on coalition aircraft are counted.

    https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2...-kabul/184870/

    https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-...-kabul-airport
    This Afghanistan withdrawal isn't even a campaign issue.

    None of the righwing predictions of kidnapped and beheaded Americans ever came true.

    A terrorist attack that killed 13 people was a tragedy, but this withdrawal was not an epic clusterfuck for the ages. If it were, it would be a major campaign issue.

    The moral of the story: it was absolutely the correct call to withdraw from a pointless 20 year war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Less than 300 Americans left in Afghanistan
    Most of those "left behind" were dual citizens who for whatever reason wanted to stay, or aid workers who decided to keep doing what they were doing. I wish them the best, but honestly if you stayed behind there is little the US can do for you. From my understanding, they are almost all doing OK... In relative terms.
    Daniel Patrick Moynihan said it best, "You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts."
    Paul Begala, "Politics is show business for ugly people."
    Stephen Colbert, "Reality has a well known liberal bias."

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    A C-17 can max out at about 200 people on an flight--let's say 150 per flight to be conservative. That's 16 flights a day. That's nothing. There are commercial airports all over the world that move more people than that everyday.
    They shipped out 19,600 in one day. That still is less than a major airport, but an airport has fuel, and infrastructure that Afghanistan does not have. Getting the fuel into Afghanistan so that people can get out, considering there was no land route, and how far the people needed to go to get out of the area... It was impressive.
    Daniel Patrick Moynihan said it best, "You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts."
    Paul Begala, "Politics is show business for ugly people."
    Stephen Colbert, "Reality has a well known liberal bias."

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    So true

    In two years it will be remembered as a plus



    Biden got us out of the mess the republicans created
    And earlier this week we were able to kill an Al Qaeda leader in Afghanistan with good Intel and an over the horizon missile strike.

    The MAGA contingent were screaming for us to keep a military footprint in Afghanistan, but that would just make the soldiers sitting ducks, and I doubt we would get much bang for the buck

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