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    More than likely this group starts with the result, and then backfill data to justify it.
    Where the fuck are the men?

    America is committing suicide....how did men fail this badly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    Why do you think it's expensive?
    Mostly because of health insurance. If that weren't how we paid for routine care, the cost of the system would plummet dramatically. As a proof of that, the one sector of the health care industry that hasn't seen prices rise dramatically, and has even seen them fall in some cases is the only one rarely covered by insurance: Cosmetic and related elective surgery.
    Insurance used for routine care is the primary cause of health care being expensive.

    As for socialized care, the US military does that. It is a ponderous, inefficient system. Many of the practitioners are of dubious quality. It's very much hit and miss. You wait interminable lengths to be seen for everything. The VA system is similar. It can be good but often is plodding and terrible.

    Britain's NHS is the same way. You might luck out and get good care, but you might also get really crappy care.

    Mexico's nationalized healthcare isn't all that good, but it is corrupt so you get way better service and move to the front of the line if you slap a $50 or $100 bill down on the admitting station counter. Then you get the best that location has to offer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    I have absolutely no complaints about Medicare, but fortunately, I’m healthy.
    My grandparents were on Medicare for 30 years until they died in their mid-90's and had no problems at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    My grandparents were on Medicare for 30 years until they died in their mid-90's and had no problems at all.
    My folks as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Mostly because of health insurance.
    Right...insurance companies looking to make a profit.

    And how do they do that? Simple; they collude with your provider to set rates of reimbursement where they both benefit financially at your expense...and you're not even represented in that collusion.

    This remains the best explanation I've ever seen/heard about chargemasters and why they are the worst:

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Mostly because of health insurance. If that weren't how we paid for routine care, the cost of the system would plummet dramatically. As a proof of that, the one sector of the health care industry that hasn't seen prices rise dramatically, and has even seen them fall in some cases is the only one rarely covered by insurance: Cosmetic and related elective surgery.
    Insurance used for routine care is the primary cause of health care being expensive.

    As for socialized care, the US military does that. It is a ponderous, inefficient system. Many of the practitioners are of dubious quality. It's very much hit and miss. You wait interminable lengths to be seen for everything. The VA system is similar. It can be good but often is plodding and terrible.

    Britain's NHS is the same way. You might luck out and get good care, but you might also get really crappy care.

    Mexico's nationalized healthcare isn't all that good, but it is corrupt so you get way better service and move to the front of the line if you slap a $50 or $100 bill down on the admitting station counter. Then you get the best that location has to offer.
    Ask a vet what they think of their medical treatment? Everyone I know who has access to Medicare and other insurance uses the VA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    As for socialized care, the US military does that. It is a ponderous, inefficient system. Many of the practitioners are of dubious quality. It's very much hit and miss. You wait interminable lengths to be seen for everything. The VA system is similar. It can be good but often is plodding and terrible.
    So...when polled, those with veterans/military government plans reported the highest patient satisfaction rating for any insurance plan, followed by Medicare, followed by Medicaid, followed by union coverage, THEN followed by private insurance.

    Americans With Government Health Plans Most Satisfied
    https://news.gallup.com/poll/186527/...satisfied.aspx

    There will always be anecdotes, but anecdotes are not really helpful here because they are narrow and are filtered through a prism of bias.

    What we know, based on the responses of those polled, is that all government health plans are BETTER than private ones, and leave the patient more satisfied.

    And isn't that all that really matters? Whether or not you as a patient are satisfied with your care?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Ask a vet what they think of their medical treatment? Everyone I know who has access to Medicare and other insurance uses the VA.
    My hubby’s VA care here in Houston is top notch. He’s a Purple Heart so his care is 100% coverage. He uses his Medicare for emergencies since the VA facility is 40 minutes away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    My grandparents were on Medicare for 30 years until they died in their mid-90's and had no problems at all.
    Medicare isn't socialized medicine. It is health insurance run by the government rather than a private provider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    My hubby’s VA care here in Houston is top notch. He’s a Purple Heart so his care is 100% coverage. He uses his Medicare for emergencies since the VA facility is 40 minutes away.
    Move to Phoenix. The VA here is one of the worst in the nation. Tucson's VA hospital is much better. Very much a hit and miss system. Also, if you don't live near a VA hospital your travel length could be substantial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Medicare isn't socialized medicine. It is health insurance run by the government rather than a private provider.
    How is Medicare funded? It's Pay-go, right? So, who is paying?
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    Socialized medicine is the stand for the entire civilized world.

    We will never be considered part of the civilized world until we have socialized medicine for everybody.

    It's mind-boggling to see conservatives revel in our social regressiveness, going so far as to call it "American Exceptionalism."
    Being exceptionally deficient wouldn't seem like a thing to celebrate.
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    Socialized medicine is the standard for the entire civilized world.

    We will never be considered part of the civilized world until we have socialized medicine for everybody.

    It's mind-boggling to see conservatives revel in our social regressiveness, going so far as to call it "American Exceptionalism."
    Being exceptionally deficient wouldn't seem like a thing to celebrate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Move to Phoenix. The VA here is one of the worst in the nation. Tucson's VA hospital is much better. Very much a hit and miss system. Also, if you don't live near a VA hospital your travel length could be substantial.
    I thought Trump changed that, something I give him credit for doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    I thought Trump changed that, something I give him credit for doing.
    There was a big scandal a few years back and not just Phoenix, but Phoenix was the epicenter. It hasn't gotten much better since, bureaucratic inertia being what it is. I don't have to use the VA however as I am covered by Tricare which is the military version of FEHB.

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