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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Illegal immigrants are not 'bringing crime.' In many cases they are escaping from it. They are leaving places that are very dangerous with unchecked gang activity and non existent to corrupt cops, often under personal threat of violence or family violence, to try to go to a place where they can just find work. Any low paying tough job will do, so they can create a safer life to take care of their family.

    The guys hanging out on the corner by Home Depot are not there looking to get picked up to commit crimes. They just want work.
    Yea, sure... That's why when I've got tools, equipment, and materials in the back of my truck I leave a worker bee to watch the truck while I'm in Home Depot or the like... You don't and those "guys hanging out on the corner by Home Depot" will rob you blind in an instant.

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    Hello T. A. Gardner,

    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Yea, sure... That's why when I've got tools, equipment, and materials in the back of my truck I leave a worker bee to watch the truck while I'm in Home Depot or the like... You don't and those "guys hanging out on the corner by Home Depot" will rob you blind in an instant.
    Prejudice works in strange ways.

    I would be vastly more concerned about the fired loser white guy in the old pickup with the Trump sticker who parks nearby than the friendly group on the corner with no car, no place to conceal stolen goods, no easy escape, and everything to lose.

    Better yet, just get a lockable work van like all the other electricians. And that will protect the stuff from the elements as well.
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    Hello T. A. Gardner,

    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    That would be a 'starter' crime. Then toss onto the list obtaining a job using either a phony or stolen SSN, they may have to lie about their name and other personal information for the same reason, etc. So, illegals have now committed more crimes in order to just continue to live and work in the US.
    Hey, nice job. Good imagination. Check under the carpets for all those hidden crimes. Crimes by definition, but victimless non violent crimes just the same. I hope you don't think that's what Trump was referring to when he said 'they are bringing crime.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello T. A. Gardner,



    Prejudice works in strange ways.

    I would be vastly more concerned about the fired loser white guy in the old pickup with the Trump sticker who parks nearby than the friendly group on the corner with no car, no place to conceal stolen goods, no easy escape, and everything to lose.

    Better yet, just get a lockable work van like all the other electricians. And that will protect the stuff from the elements as well.
    I had two thefts in the last two weeks in the scummy parts of town. One was a hammer drill a transient grabbed. My truck watch guy went to the bathroom. The other was more expensive. They got a three piece case of mostly parts but some expensive test equipment too. The cops are looking for that equipment to show up at a pawn shop because its all very unusual stuff except for an high end electrician to have.

    My carry mix varies considerably from day-to-day. I also can't carry a 7.5 KW portable generator in a van (gasoline in an enclosed space is a no-no). It's something you frequently need because you are working on putting in the electrical power so there is no on-site electrical power.

    In Arizona, anybody who's lived here awhile will have stories about illegals. Hit and runs, accidents, car theft where you vehicle ends up in Mexico.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello T. A. Gardner,



    Prejudice works in strange ways.

    I would be vastly more concerned about the fired loser white guy in the old pickup with the Trump sticker who parks nearby than the friendly group on the corner with no car, no place to conceal stolen goods, no easy escape, and everything to lose.

    Better yet, just get a lockable work van like all the other electricians. And that will protect the stuff from the elements as well.
    That's because you're a fucking prejudiced lunatic and communist yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello T. A. Gardner,



    Hey, nice job. Good imagination. Check under the carpets for all those hidden crimes. Crimes by definition, but victimless non violent crimes just the same. I hope you don't think that's what Trump was referring to when he said 'they are bringing crime.'
    It is exactly what Trump was referring to, along with the drugs, the gangs, the violent criminals, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Immigrants commit less crime than regular Americans. They start more businesses. The economic success of America has always depended on immigrants.
    The right has pushed a dishonest and harmful meme to make rightys angrier. They are playing the right as suckers. It is very easy.
    Yeah, if you include Asian immigrants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guno View Post
    Texas authorities have for years been making flimsy claims about lawlessness at the border that local law enforcement has angrily denied. But the Department of Public Safety, the director of which is appointed by the governor, seems unlikely to consider the University of Wisconsin study — even though it was done using the department’s own data.

    El Paso is a border town and was recently ranked as the fourth safest large city in America,” Blanco said in an email. “The rhetoric around immigration, including calling immigrants criminals, is dangerous and wrong. As we come up on the second anniversary of the Walmart shooting, El Paso knows firsthand what that rhetoric can drive people to do.”
    Latinos ( illegals) don't commit that much crime, unlike Blacks ( citizens)

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    the study has a statistical fallacy built into it.....it measures the incidents of crime per 100,000 persons overall.......for a true comparison of which class causes more crime you would have to compare legal residents committing crimes per 100,000 legal residents with illegal immigrants committing crimes per 100,000 illegal immigrants......

    statistics aren't provided, but if for example, one in one thousand people are here illegally then, if 96 illegals commit crimes versus 216 legal residents, then illegals are actually 2,000% more likely to commit violent crime than legal residents.......
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