Doc Dutch (07-31-2021)
Personal Ignore Policy PIP: I like civil discourse. I will give you all the respect in the world if you respect me. Mouth off to me, or express overt racism, you will be PERMANENTLY Ignore Listed. Zero tolerance. No exceptions. I'll never read a word you write, even if quoted by another, nor respond to you, nor participate in your threads. ... Ignore the shallow. Cherish the thoughtful. Long Live Civil Discourse, Mutual Respect, and Good Debate! ps: Feel free to adopt my PIP. It works well.
Doc Dutch (07-31-2021)
Personal Ignore Policy PIP: I like civil discourse. I will give you all the respect in the world if you respect me. Mouth off to me, or express overt racism, you will be PERMANENTLY Ignore Listed. Zero tolerance. No exceptions. I'll never read a word you write, even if quoted by another, nor respond to you, nor participate in your threads. ... Ignore the shallow. Cherish the thoughtful. Long Live Civil Discourse, Mutual Respect, and Good Debate! ps: Feel free to adopt my PIP. It works well.
Re "next state" I suspect Concart is correct for more than one reason. Vaccinated people are also more careful and empathetic people. Therefore they will likely
make more responsible decisions about social distancing, mask wearing even if the law does not compel, evaluating risk taking (picking their spots) social distancing etc. All these things help reduce spread.
I think the Sturgis rally is more likely to start a surge in other states, but the fact that this strain is SO contagious and moves SO fast, it might do both this time around. I wouldn't be surprised in the least. The single most alarming thing about this spike is the speed at which it gets out of hand. The curve is MUCH steeper than previous spikes. Cases increases by more than 50% in a week. That means it's going to peak much higher, and we are already seeing that. There are no signs it's slowing down in Florida, and it is already worse than any of the previous spikes. We thought Covid was over, but because of the utter stupidity of the vaccine defiant, the worst is yet to come. Tragic. They have only themselves to blame for everything bad that happens as a result.
PoliTalker (07-31-2021)
Completely agree. Unfortunately, Florida was the Guinea Pig. We found out the hard way that vaccinated people can't resume their normal lives. People have started masking up here again, but it's sporadic. Most likely, it's vaxxed people. Unvaxxed people aren't going to wear masks, because they do not care about anyone but themselves. In states with high vaccination rates, people who are vaccinated will stay home, mask up, social distance, and wait for the Trumptards to kill each other off. Unfortunately, the timeframe for this thing to be over is probably the end of the year again. So we managed to waste an entire year, even though we could have ended the pandemic in May. How sad.
Personal Ignore Policy PIP: I like civil discourse. I will give you all the respect in the world if you respect me. Mouth off to me, or express overt racism, you will be PERMANENTLY Ignore Listed. Zero tolerance. No exceptions. I'll never read a word you write, even if quoted by another, nor respond to you, nor participate in your threads. ... Ignore the shallow. Cherish the thoughtful. Long Live Civil Discourse, Mutual Respect, and Good Debate! ps: Feel free to adopt my PIP. It works well.
I suspect we're still learning. I know in my house, we just couldn't imagine two breakthrough cases in the same house, so we really kind of dismissed the idea it was Covid initially. Anecdotally, we know of other vaccinated people that caught it as well. Just too much virus around. Unfortunately, that means we probably spread it to others. That lack of knowledge is driving the pandemic here. Of course the logical move at this point in Florida is to close everything for two weeks, but that won't happen. Hopefully, we will have learned enough by the time the outbreak spread further that vaccinated people will be able to protect themselves, because hospitalization or no, it SUCKS to get infected, and it totally disrupts your life.
PoliTalker (07-31-2021)
Yes the news and your anecdote made me think hard about the cold I am recently clear of, whether that might be covid and who I might infect.
But in fact I mask up in doors publicly all the time, I never go into a store without
a mask, even and especially when I went and purchased Niquil for it. But I looked into the test and the CDC website still discouraged me from getting one, it stated
it was "highly unlikely" I got covid after full vaccination. So the info is equivocating. Anyway, my wife now has my cold
and she can test free at the VA lab and her colleagues at UCSD. So I'll get an inferential take on my status as I assuredly gave this cold to her,
which I got from my unvaxed son, who got it god knows where.
It's weird, we really don't receive guests in our house anymore. It's sort of a sad habit now. Always outside.
Personal Ignore Policy PIP: I like civil discourse. I will give you all the respect in the world if you respect me. Mouth off to me, or express overt racism, you will be PERMANENTLY Ignore Listed. Zero tolerance. No exceptions. I'll never read a word you write, even if quoted by another, nor respond to you, nor participate in your threads. ... Ignore the shallow. Cherish the thoughtful. Long Live Civil Discourse, Mutual Respect, and Good Debate! ps: Feel free to adopt my PIP. It works well.
We don't either. And we thought we were being careful, but when someone will just bald faced lie about a matter of life and death, it's hard to know what to do. If someone is in the cult, I would not trust them to tell the truth about their vaccination status. They don't feel it's their responsibility to be honest, and they lack any integrity. Just a warning.
I believe human beings, unless adjudicated incapable of caring for themselves, are responsible for themselves.
That doesn't absolve leaders of their duties and responsibilities. Prosecute any of those motherfuckers who intentionally passed bad information that caused harm to Americans.
"Hatred is a failure of imagination" - Graham Greene, "The Power and the Glory"
Coronavirus: Most infected in outbreak after large public events were fully vaccinated, CDC says
July 30, 2021 at 3:12 pm EDT
By Theresa Seiger, Cox Media Group National Content Desk
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Friday released new data which showed that a majority of people infected with COVID-19 in a recent outbreak in Massachusetts were fully vaccinated.
The data, taken from COVID-19 cases reported in July in an unidentified town in Barnstable County, was released after an internal CDC document was leaked which showed that the delta variant of the virus can be spread from fully vaccinated people at the same rate as from unvaccinated people.
In July, officials identified 469 cases of COVID-19 associated with summer events and large public gatherings in Barnstable County. Nearly three-quarters of those infections (346) were detected in people who were fully vaccinated, according to the data.
About 79% of the vaccinated patients who had breakthrough infections experienced some symptoms, including four people who were hospitalized. One unvaccinated person was also hospitalized. No deaths were associated with the outbreak.
©2021 Cox Media Group
Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
empathy for animal suffering can lack compassion for unborn children who experience lethal violence and excruciating
pain in abortion.
Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
which has begun. To abort life is to end it.
Hello Dutch,
I totally agree that all who broke the law should face justice.
I just happen to basically love humanity.
I've made mistakes, some big, some small. I can forgive others who make mistakes. I see Trump support as a mistake, not a reason for hatred. Big mistake. Very big. But once they're in, they don't seem to be able to get out. I know good people who have been sucked in. I am not going to disown them or excommunicate them if I know they are basically good people.
I'm not going to stop talking to somebody or hate them simply because I disagree with them.
I don't think hatred is very healthy; and it really hurts the hater more than the hated.
I don't hold grudges. I don't want hatred in my life.
I distance myself not from those with whom I disagree, but those who attack me personally.
Personal Ignore Policy PIP: I like civil discourse. I will give you all the respect in the world if you respect me. Mouth off to me, or express overt racism, you will be PERMANENTLY Ignore Listed. Zero tolerance. No exceptions. I'll never read a word you write, even if quoted by another, nor respond to you, nor participate in your threads. ... Ignore the shallow. Cherish the thoughtful. Long Live Civil Discourse, Mutual Respect, and Good Debate! ps: Feel free to adopt my PIP. It works well.
Doc Dutch (07-31-2021)
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